Disgusting way to treat our Veterans

[novice cushie shooter]

Couldnt say it better. Bang on.

 

I couldn't give a stuff what politics are involved, that solider put his neck on the line after swearing loyalty to queen and country, I.e the United kingdom, he should get treatment anywhere in the UK he dam well feels like, he should not be used as a political pawn and that includes PW members imho

[m3vert]

The treatment of this soldier is appalling, however we don't know the full story....my posting maybe wide of the mark, but in the absence of an official explanation I, like the rest of us, are left to speculate as to the reason for this apparently disgraceful decision.

 

 

In response to your posting, the UK NHS does "pay for our treatment regardless of where we visit a hospital" for the whole of the UK, "including their respective countries"

The UK NHS does this in Scotland by giving a devolved Scotland money to fund a Scottish health service...........If Scotland have already received the money to fund the running of a Scottish health service, then Scotland should do so, if they don't.....and a Scottish patient seeks an receives treatment in an English hospital, it means the UK NHS is effectively paying twice......at the expense of patient treatment in England!

 

I note you are from Scotland!........This is possibly an early insight into what devolution actually means to the people of Scotland?..........which amongst other things will include Fiscal responsibility! And It'll likely get a whole lot worse for the people of Scotland if the SNP persuade the Scottish people to vote for an independent Scotland!.....

 

I personally would be most interested to discover what exactly the Scottish administration choose to spend the UK NHS money on?....here's a clue........what do the people of Scotland get for free that the people of England don't?

Panoma1, Taken from the NHS Scotland website "Anyone who holds a UK passport or has right of abode and is taking up or resuming permanent residence in the UK is entitled to free NHS hospital care in Scotland" which clears things up that anyone from England, Ireland or Wales is entitled to free NHS treatment by NHS Scotland, one must assume that the NHS Scotland only receives funding to cover Scottish residents? yet provision is still there to treat all UK residents (as it should be). With that in mind I expect the same to be in place for a Scot to visit any of the other 3 home countries and receive the same service. If they argue that he cannot receive treatment because he "stays in Scotland" he could simply move to England the next day and receive the treatment in any case??

 

All seems a little daft to me.

 

I assume you are having a dig with your last comment and are reffering to our free prescriptions. Some might argue that NHS Scotland is managing its budget better than others and can thus afford to offer us free prescriptions? I do not know enough about it to know the full truth, however I will say this, I disagree with everyone in Scotland getting free prescriptions. It is without doubt a serious waste of resource, most people can afford to pay something or all of the cost of the drug required to treat minor ailments, so why should the NHS fund it? I believe NHS are charged something absurd like 10pounds for Paracetamol :-(

[poontang]

I couldn't give a stuff what politics are involved, that solider put his neck on the line after swearing loyalty to queen and country, I.e the United kingdom, he should get treatment anywhere in the UK he dam well feels like, he should not be used as a political pawn and that includes PW members imho

 

He's not being used as a political pawn, and he's not being 'refused treatment because he's Scottish'. If he were an Englishman living in Scotland the same rules would apply.

Cross border payments between the devolved administrations happen on a daily basis, it's nothing new.

It really is a non story designed to whip up some kind of reaction. I for one can't quite work out whether it's anti NHS, anti Tory, anti SNP or anti English.

The only time this will become a story of note is if NHS Scotland refuse to fund any future treatment.

[panoma1]

 

 

Panoma1, Taken from the NHS Scotland website "Anyone who holds a UK passport or has right of abode and is taking up or resuming permanent residence in the UK is entitled to free NHS hospital care in Scotland" which clears things up that anyone from England, Ireland or Wales is entitled to free NHS treatment by NHS Scotland, one must assume that the NHS Scotland only receives funding to cover Scottish residents? yet provision is still there to treat all UK residents (as it should be). With that in mind I expect the same to be in place for a Scot to visit any of the other 3 home countries and receive the same service. If they argue that he cannot receive treatment because he "stays in Scotland" he could simply move to England the next day and receive the treatment in any case??

 

All seems a little daft to me.

 

I assume you are having a dig with your last comment and are reffering to our free prescriptions. Some might argue that NHS Scotland is managing its budget better than others and can thus afford to offer us free prescriptions? I do not know enough about it to know the full truth, however I will say this, I disagree with everyone in Scotland getting free prescriptions. It is without doubt a serious waste of resource, most people can afford to pay something or all of the cost of the drug required to treat minor ailments, so why should the NHS fund it? I believe NHS are charged something absurd like 10pounds for Paracetamol :-(

Looking at the situation another possible way......the Scottish Health Service is paid for out of funding given to the Scottish Government by the UK Government......And as such is required to treat free of charge all qualifying UK residents? that's fair enough because the whole of the UK are paying for it!.......the UK NHS receives no funding from the Scottish Government.......therefore is not obligated to treat free of charge, Scottish residents in the rest of the UK........the UK NHS (which we all pay for) can only get funding for Scottish residents healthcare outwith Scotland (which the UK Government has already paid the Scottish Government for) by re charging the Scottish Government.

[12gauge82]

 

He's not being used as a political pawn, and he's not being 'refused treatment because he's Scottish'. If he were an Englishman living in Scotland the same rules would apply.

Cross border payments between the devolved administrations happen on a daily basis, it's nothing new.

It really is a non story designed to whip up some kind of reaction. I for one can't quite work out whether it's anti NHS, anti Tory, anti SNP or anti English.

The only time this will become a story of note is if NHS Scotland refuse to fund any future treatment.

You've missed my point, I'm saying the guy should be treated anywhere in the UK, the ifs, what's and who's should not come into it and the whole SNP remain or leave agenda shouldn't be involved, he's and injured soldier who should get the treatment in the place he wants, end of story.

[Scully]

You've missed my point, I'm saying the guy should be treated anywhere in the UK, the ifs, what's and who's should not come into it and the whole SNP remain or leave agenda shouldn't be involved, he's and injured soldier who should get the treatment in the place he wants, end of story.

I quite agree, but life isn't like that I'm afraid. Everything has a price and a cost.

[CharlieT]

You've missed my point, I'm saying the guy should be treated anywhere in the UK, the ifs, what's and who's should not come into it and the whole SNP remain or leave agenda shouldn't be involved, he's and injured soldier who should get the treatment in the place he wants, end of story.

 

And I'm sure that, as long as his clinical needs deem it necessary, he will.

 

Dr Alison Graham, medical director at NHS Ayrshire & Arran Health Board, confirmed: “NHS Ayrshire & Arran is committed to funding and supporting Mr Brown’s ongoing treatment, be that in Scotland or elsewhere. We are in discussion with University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust regarding this.”

 

Any blame for this fiasco lies squarely with his NHS Scotland commissioning board for dragging their feet. The British tax payer funds them to provide a service, on this occasion they have clearly dragged their feet.

[12gauge82]

 

And I'm sure that, as long as his clinical needs deem it necessary, he will.

 

Dr Alison Graham, medical director at NHS Ayrshire & Arran Health Board, confirmed: NHS Ayrshire & Arran is committed to funding and supporting Mr Browns ongoing treatment, be that in Scotland or elsewhere. We are in discussion with University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust regarding this.

 

Any blame for this fiasco lies squarely with his NHS Scotland commissioning board for dragging their feet. The British tax payer funds them to provide a service, on this occasion they have clearly dragged their feet.

About time A good result in the end that should never have been an issue in the first place, just glad that it appears this soldier seems to be getting the treatment that he deserves, hats off to all those who have served, just a shame that the vast majority of bureaucrats havent got an ounce of the courage or selflessness of our soldiers.

[panoma1]

I do not believe it was ever a case of him not getting treatment...it was just a case of agreeing who was going to fund it!