Tattoos

[Lurch]

Narrow minded discrimination, having tattoos in no way impedes you from performing you're duties to the best of you're abilities, having them is a personal choice, they are an ancient form of individual expression, in many cultures they are worn as symbols as part of the wrights of passage into manhood, or as a protective talisman to ward of evil spirits.

Not everybody that is tattooed is a thug or anti establishment.

People should be judged for what they do, not how they choose to adorn their ownbodies.

 

Right I'm away to find my dummy now, I threw it right out the pram.....

 

In a customer facing role I wouldn't hire anyone with a visible tattoo, stupid haircut, or facial jewellry. To have them is a personal choice of course but in a customer facing role you are the face of the company for whom you work, very few companies wish to have their representative so adorned.

Get as mad as you like, them's just the facts.

[me and my lad]

Narrow minded discrimination, having tattoos in no way impedes you from performing you're duties to the best of you're abilities, having them is a personal choice, they are an ancient form of individual expression, in many cultures they are worn as symbols as part of the wrights of passage into manhood, or as a protective talisman to ward of evil spirits.

Not everybody that is tattooed is a thug or anti establishment.

People should be judged for what they do, not how they choose to adorn their ownbodies.

 

Right I'm away to find my dummy now, I threw it right out the pram.....

 

In a customer facing role I wouldn't hire anyone with a visible tattoo, stupid haircut, or facial jewellry. To have them is a personal choice of course but in a customer facing role you are the face of the company for whom you work, very few companies wish to have their representative so adorned.

Get as mad as you like, them's just the facts.

 

so if your customer has tattos, piercings etc does that mean you would refuse to deal with them ??

[Lurch]

so if your customer has tattos, piercings etc does that mean you would refuse to deal with them ??

 

Nope, the customer is king!

The whole point, that people seem to be missing, is that a lot of people out there judge a person with tatoos negatively. You would be insane as an employer to make the face of your company someone who is going to project a first impression that may be unfavourable. Regardless of how great the guy/gal is they start on the back foot and the world is too competitive to disadvantage yourself like that.

[davo]

In a customer facing role I wouldn't hire anyone with a visible tattoo, stupid haircut, or facial jewellry. To have them is a personal choice of course but in a customer facing role you are the face of the company for whom you work, very few companies wish to have their representative so adorned.

Get as mad as you like, them's just the facts.

 

Hope this discussion hasn't caused you to lose you're temper my friend!! I certainly haven't got mad,

I'm merely expressing my thoughts based on you're opinions, as narrow minded as I find them.

 

Not missed the "whole point" and I disagree that "them's the facts", that said I concur that in the face to face customer liaison role looking like a jewellers window or an extra from a Maori film is not the way to go, but being tattooed and wearing long sleeves I am no different than the next man and to be openly discriminated against is unacceptable.

Now we are to include haircuts, surely they are relative to the modern day fashion, personally I find most of the young kids hair cuts 'stupid' these days as I'm sure both our fathers thought our hair cuts were 'stupid' when we where of the age that we were making a statement and didn't care......cause it was the fashion at the time.

 

You portray yourself as a dinosaur before you're time, and if the statements you have made thus far are a true representation of how shallow and linear you're thought processes are I for one would not wish to work for you.

[Lurch]

Well Davo you did have a smilie called 'evilmad' and say you'd tossed your dummy out of the pram, I'd say that counts as being a bit mad?

The thread starter asked if there was still a stigma about tatoos, I'm saying yes and explaining my thinking behind this. If that makes me shallow then fine. What is particularly strange is that you actually seem to agree that on show tatoos aren't desirable for a customer facing role.

I actually do employ a number of people with tatoos, I judge people as I find them generally. However as a first impression a tatoo is generally a minus, I've met more people who are 'dodgy' that have tatoos than who haven't. Are all people with tatoos 'dodgy'? Certainly not and getting less so these days, but that stigma is most certainly still there.

[vole]

I think that is why guys have em.Me included,because it is a bit riske(cant find the accent for the "e") and challenging what is acceptable in some circles.Some have them because everyone else around them has always had em.Working as I do in the NHS I have them where they dont show but on the beach can look a bit of a Geezer,well maybe 10 years ago.I think most thinking people do not disadvantage themselves by having a few tats in the same way the "a.c.a.b/cut here " types do and they wouldnt care anyway.

[davo]

Well Davo you did have a smilie called 'evilmad' and say you'd tossed your dummy out of the pram, I'd say that counts as being a bit mad?

The thread starter asked if there was still a stigma about tatoos, I'm saying yes and explaining my thinking behind this. If that makes me shallow then fine. What is particularly strange is that you actually seem to agree that on show tatoos aren't desirable for a customer facing role.

I actually do employ a number of people with tatoos, I judge people as I find them generally. However as a first impression a tatoo is generally a minus, I've met more people who are 'dodgy' that have tatoos than who haven't. Are all people with tatoos 'dodgy'? Certainly not and getting less so these days, but that stigma is most certainly still there.

 

In you're opinion.

You have PM. :thumbs:

[Hodmedod.one]

Well Davo you did have a smilie called 'evilmad' and say you'd tossed your dummy out of the pram, I'd say that counts as being a bit mad?

The thread starter asked if there was still a stigma about tatoos, I'm saying yes and explaining my thinking behind this. If that makes me shallow then fine. What is particularly strange is that you actually seem to agree that on show tatoos aren't desirable for a customer facing role.

I actually do employ a number of people with tatoos, I judge people as I find them generally. However as a first impression a tatoo is generally a minus, I've met more people who are 'dodgy' that have tatoos than who haven't. Are all people with tatoos 'dodgy'? Certainly not and getting less so these days, but that stigma is most certainly still there.

 

I think that Davo put his point across very well and I do tend to agree with him that your attitude is rather shallow.

On the other hand, I can see your point about customer facing roles. The thing is that there are many such roles around these days where a tattoo or a facial piercing could be seen as a positive advantage. Record Shops, Clothes shops for the younger generation etc.

 

I remember 20 odd years ago when I was a Supervisor in Vegetable Freezing Plant. We used to employ loads of temps in the Pea Season as we ran 24/7 for 2 months. One of the Secretaries brought a guy over to me and said "He's just started working here".

The guy had a purple mohican haircut which stood up at least 15" above his head. He had a T-Shirt on and his arms were completely covered in tattoos. Oh yes, best of all was he had a ring through his snout that any Boar would have been proud of.

 

My initial thought was what the ****. He turned out to be one of the most friendly, hard working, helpful and trustworthy people that it has been my good fortune to work with. He certainly changed my attitude towards judging a book by its cover.

 

We live in the 21st century now and should accept people for who they are, not what they appear to be. Lets be honest, you don't have to go far to find someone who is a total #### even though he does wear a suit.

[Lurch]

Sheesh, how is it that I'm so shallow yet people seem to agree with my point?

Ho hum.

[Hodmedod.one]

Sheesh, how is it that I'm so shallow yet people seem to agree with my point?

Ho hum.

 

Typical of an M.D - always feels the need to congratulate himself on being right, even when he's not. :thumbs:

[Lurch]

:thumbs:

 

Now I'm off to relax on my big leather chair, smoking a huge cigar. Then I'll swan off to the golf club in my huge Jaguar and get ****** on expensive whisky.

[davo]

 

No worries each to their own opinions, myself and Lurch have agreed to disagree....

P.S. They are agreeing with our opinions, Mr shallow. :thumbs:

[naddan28]

I am with Lurch, as shallow as some people are, they won't trust people wearing tatoos or will create a bad impression. Imagine if you were up in court for a serious criminal offence, would you want your Barrister sporting tat's and therefore his arguement being potentially less persuasive? Of course you wouldn't! The same way if I get tatoo's and in later life become an investment banker and meet clients, many will instantly be wary about letting someone who appear's scruffy or tattoo'ed look after their money. My friend has just got a apprentship with Freshfields, the 3rd largest UK law firm and has been sent £450 to buy formal clothing, as they want to ensure he looks the part, as they no if he doesn't he could cost them business!

 

Dan

[peter-peter]

Booked in next Thursday to have my daughters names put down the insides of my fore arms in chinese ( I do live in Croydon :thumbs: ). Get the feeling I will just get the guy to do the initials and stop there. That way I can add to them later when I stop being a big girl about the pain !

Point is I have gone from being a worker in the building trade to a tie wearer and have to do meetings with MDs and other high flyers so my question is - Do you think tats are frowned upon as they once where ?

Still going to have them done, cant wait to see my MDs face !

I once lost the chance of a good job due to tats on my hands.

my advice is stick em on your bum, if your going to wear a tie.

[Mungler]

You can say it's shallow and this, that and the other and yes there is always the anecdote about someone knowing someone who knew someone who had a skinhead, the SS insignia tattooed on his forehead and all his teeth filed to points, but who was nevertheless a thoroughly nice chap… the facts of the matter are:

 

Dodgy haircut, piercing and tats = prejudice.

 

Doesn't make it right but that's the way it is. To think otherwise or wish otherwise is naive.

 

Peter-peter makes the best point:

 

"I once lost the chance of a good job due to tats on my hands".

 

Your response has been "well I wouldn't want that job or to work for such narrow minded people" well that's tosh for two reasons:

 

1. a good job is a good job, and;

2. behind that narrow minded tatoo hating exterior they may well be the nicest kindest people you ever meet or work for... (oh, yeah, do see what I've just done there)

 

 

Mung

[Andy W]

I remember reading some statistics carried out by some university bod on a tattoo related web site stating that "out of 100 suicides invetigated it was noticed that 30% of these suicides had tattoos", what a silly statement to make, look at it the other way, 70% did not have tattoos so a tattooed person is less likely to commit suicide so get tattooed and live longer.

 

PS Tattoos never stopped me from succeeding, I am heavilly tatooed, I own 2 businesses, drive a Mercedes, dont have a school qualification to my name and incidentally all of my employees have tattoos.

[Poacher]

PS Tattoos never stopped me from succeeding, I am heavilly tatooed, I own 2 businesses, drive a Mercedes, dont have a school qualification to my name and incidentally all of my employees have tattoos.

 

You don't own 2 tatoo shops by anychance do you :thumbs:

[Hodmedod.one]

 

Now I'm off to relax on my big leather chair, smoking a huge cigar. Then I'll swan off to the golf club in my huge Jaguar and get ****** on expensive whisky.

 

And then drive home no doubt...... :thumbs:

[Andy W]

PS Tattoos never stopped me from succeeding, I am heavilly tatooed, I own 2 businesses, drive a Mercedes, dont have a school qualification to my name and incidentally all of my employees have tattoos.

 

You don't own 2 tatoo shops by anychance do you :thumbs:

No, an engineering business and a retail business, although I did consider tattooing, I did it in my younger days and still own tattooing equipment.

[scott_milker]

i had one done about a month ago on my shoulder, it hurt on the shoulder blade but not so much on the fleshy bits. i wouldnt have been allowed one on my forearm like the topic starter is getting, coz im a chef ands sleeves are always rolled up. post a pic when you get it done!

[Lurch]

And then drive home no doubt......

 

No that's Jeeves' job.

Pip pip!

[tulkyuk]

And then drive home no doubt......

 

No that's Jeeves' job.

Pip pip!

- well done lurch.

i also agree with you, i am an architctural consultant and would lose a lot of money if i had a tattoo or 'stupid' haircut, because as you say cutomer is king and most people would not like a tattoo'd skin head in the house, going in every room to measure sizes for plans to be drawn and i would also not employ people with visable tattoo, because of the above.

 

That said i do think that the tattoo's that are done today are an art and that some can look amazing.

[SNAKEBITE]

You say that having a tattooed person walking round the house measuring up would put a lot of people off, well to be honest these "greasey, slimey" sales people who pester you in shops and the like are more off putting that any tattooed person I know. All that "Hello sir, can I be of any help sir? Does sir need anything answered?" bobbins makes my flesh creep.

What about a tattoed mechanic fixing your car? Is he going to do a bad job because he has "Up the gunners" on his left arm? Or is it o.k because he works in a "menial" job? It is time people got real. These stereo types need to go and "not employing a tattooed person because no one else does" is an awful excuse.

[CharlieT]

Personally I think they are unsightly things and if you must have one have it done where it can't be seen.

 

My mate STAN has his name tattooed on his manhood and when he has an erection it says CONSTANTINOPLE which is where he christened it !!

 

What has Lurch got on his ?

 

Seriously though I do agree with Lurch

 

Charlie

[Mungler]

It's one of those things.

 

Daft haircut, piercing and or tats = prejudice.

 

Don't make it right, that's just the way it is and nothing anyone here does individually will make any difference.

 

Whilst righting the wrongs of tatoo discrimination have a go at fixing ageism, sexism, racism, fatism, tallism, shortism and gingerism.

 

Utopia is just a word people.

 

Here endth the lesson.

 

Yours,

 

The Very Reverend Mungler.

 

 

 

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In the words of Chubby Brown, I have the name of that famous Welsh town tatooed on my ***, you know the one.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rhyl.