suburban shooter Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 9.5 is heavy the heaviest that I have used were Bisley Pest Control at 8.8 grn They are really heavy hitters and accurate too. However not up to 40 yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 When I say shallow wound channel its all relative .The . 22 falcon has a Bc of around 0.027 compared to say a 16 grn jsb of about 0.032 .and an accupell of about 0.028 But the fragile nature of the falcon (13.4 grns and hollow skirt ,short ,and soft lead .means it will deform more than the accupel .which is a lot more solid in construction and is made of harder lead compound (more antimony ) This means that when it hits quarry it will stop faster than the other 2 pellets dumping more of its energy .this is good as basically all round head pellets in .22 over penetrate anyway passing through heads and often body's. By comparison an 8.4 grn .177 pellet hitting the same medium will penetrate only around 75 % of the way of the .22 . The falcon will penetrate plenty far enough on all your body shots out to 45 yds trust me . Ps they also give excellent accuracy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 You know this is going to be a can of worms come tomorrow but informative, I'm still using.22 accupells I bought ten tins many moons ago and think I'm down to two tins left now, hope there the same when I come to buy more?? Shooting in the garden I often find on head shot squirrels I get two holes so the pellet has passed through, I cant imagine a problem with body shots with these pellets so long as you keep the range sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Cast and then machined pellets?? The cost would surely be horrendous? Pellets are normally made by turning lead into wire - this is then cut to a precise length and (sometimes) swaged into a ball - whatever shape is decided on then goes to a swaging machine that normally has about 10 dies (all of which can be slightly different by a few microns) - the "pellets" are then positioned into said holes and swaged (pressed) into shape - simples. Top end pellets are then separated by weight and batched. As for adding oil, AFAIK no advantages whatsoever have been proven to such a treatment - might help prevent "corrosion" but this normally only occurs after considerable time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 Snoozer they are cast and then machined and then lubricated with Napier lube as are all Crossman / Webley pellets they don't mess about and I am looking forward to your assessment of them. What are you going after with them ? Hopefully Bunnies and or Flying Rats. Soon as i get some results i'll post em up but may be a while yet lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 i have the ultra and scorpion se in 177 use the same pellets in both,with same results its just that scorpion has more shots available but thats the only difference,but in saying that the ultra is shorter an easier in confined spaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 What did the OP buy in the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 An AA or a theoban, 😅😆😅😆😅😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 Probably a catapult! As previously mentioned, I have never used 'Sovereigns'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburban shooter Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Ah apologies Longbower. I was looking at a picture of Daystate sovereigns whilst meaning to type Falcon Accuracy pus. How the subconcious works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 On page 3 its says , an average powered .177 will penetrate deep into the target And an average powered .22 will leave a wider shallower wound ! So isn't that contrary ? In my humble experience a.177 , penetrates further than a .22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 We have been around this buoy before. I posted some pen results with wax candles and yes the .177 went deeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 In my very limited experience; I have noted the following; A. .177 AA Diablo 8.4g shot from a sub 12ft/lb (HW110)PCP seems to over penetrate quarry at 25 mtrs. (ie pass throughs) B. A.22 Falcon 13.4 g shot from a regulated BSA Scorpion , seems to stay within the quarry , penetrating less. This is also the case when tried on a OX Heart. from the same distance. same conditions. Also, A 5/16" Diameter Cedar shaft Arrow shot from a 43lb draw weight Recurve Bow , Penetrated the target, (a foam boss), nearly an inch further than an 11/32 " Diameter shaft arrow shot from the same bow .! An 8mm diameter ball bearing, also penetrates a melon much deeper than a 10mm ball shot from the same slingshot. So in conclusion , I would guess the impact resistance (friction generated by impact) has a great deal of influence upon penetration. Interesting testing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazbee123 Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 On 21/09/2017 at 23:13, Pistol p said: I've got a scorpion SE in .177, it's a very very good gun. If you're going for pest control then it's more than enough, it'll give 75 shots easy on one fill. I've fitted a blast tamer and filled the air reservior with drinking straws to keep the action noise down, other than that it's perfect. Hi how do you fit the blast tamer do you cock gun first the fit it should the spring on the tamer be stretched or compressed before pulling the trigger kind regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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