figgy Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Wonder just how much of a bump it would take to fire the round off as the firing pin spring is keeping the pressure on the primer. I’d have thought it would have to be slammed muzzle first into something to use the weight of the pins inertia or drip the rifle butt first from a great height to overcome the springs tension to move enough to fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) This is the first I've heard of this 'deadbolting'. It's bloody stupid, nobody should do it. Edited December 27, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 I certainly wouldn't do it that way. But having said that. Right or wrong i chamber a round, apply the safety, and be very aware of muzzle safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jam1e said: I certainly wouldn't do it that way. But having said that. Right or wrong i chamber a round, apply the safety, and be very aware of muzzle safety. Absolutely. One up the spout and good muzzle and trigger awareness. Its ruined my evening to think there's people out there wandering about with the firing pin resting on the primer. Mental. Edited December 27, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnstyle Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 I have seen this done with a stalker up Scotland he called it the German safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Just now, turnstyle said: I have seen this done with a stalker up Scotland he called it the German safe German **** more like. Wahey!!!! But seriously its stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Plenty saying it’s daft or stupid. Anyone got any evidence of a round being fired off doing this? Something might look wrong and it may well be wrong but sometimes can be right no matter how it looks. A gun with firing pin cocked and safety on isn’t safe as it’s just waiting under compression to be released to fire the round. Cant see how an uncocked in forward position firing pin could fire off a round. could someone explain how it could fire the round please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 minute ago, figgy said: Plenty saying it’s daft or stupid. Anyone got any evidence of a round being fired off doing this? Something might look wrong and it may well be wrong but sometimes can be right no matter how it looks. A gun with firing pin cocked and safety on isn’t safe as it’s just waiting under compression to be released to fire the round. Cant see how an uncocked in forward position firing pin could fire off a round. could someone explain how it could fire the round please. A rifle with one up the spout is safe as rifles are built to be carried that way, you can rely upon them to not go off. The safety is a bonus. The decocked option is crazy because it leaves the firing pin in the fired position actually pressing into the primer for the whole duration of time you're carrying it. Any violent jolt to the gun could potentially create enough pressure to make the rifle function. This deadbolting thing is a variation of carrying the rifle without a round in the chamber. Just get one up the spout with the rifle cocked and don't pull the trigger. Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 The amount of force needed to set a chambered round off when dead-bolted would vary depending on firing pin length/spring tension, amount of force applied and primer wall thickness (have some of you actually seen how thin some primer walls actually are?). Asking whether there's any evidence to support it being unsafe is a little like asking for evidence of people you know killed by playing Russian Roulette! No-one in their right minds would play Russian Roulette so why do it with a loaded firearm? It's a dangerous practice full stop as it removes any intrinsic safety from the equation and whether a round goes off is likely dependant upon variables which no user has a hope of defining before hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Anyone who’s ever hunted in a country like Africa will tell you how stupid this practice is. Heat makes metal expand. Chamber a round and deadbolt your rifle in the morning before the sun has got up. By the heat of mid day BANG!!!!! Edited January 3, 2018 by zipdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildrover77 Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 03/01/2018 at 01:13, zipdog said: Anyone who’s ever hunted in a country like Africa will tell you how stupid this practice is. Heat makes metal expand. Chamber a round and deadbolt your rifle in the morning before the sun has got up. By the heat of mid day BANG!!!!! If heat caused metal to expand that much a gun would never function in hot countries ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Many ex squaddies of the Enfield .303 era will remember this. You only had to pull the bolt head back prior to firing the gun. Very quick when ambushed etc. I was taught it, rightly or wrongly, way back in about 1950. Just after the second world war. Don't think we shot many of our own troops back in that little bit of nastiness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 05/01/2018 at 21:03, wildrover77 said: If heat caused metal to expand that much a gun would never function in hot countries ! When American’s and English go across with their hair triggers the first thing they are told to do is heavy them up. Otherwise they will go off on their own due to the heat......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bk Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 When I first started with rifles I was taught to do this by an old boy. A few months later someone explained the implications of what I was doing and I havent dont it for the last 15 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshootist Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 On 23/12/2017 at 19:05, dodeer said: One of the reasons I believe Blaser rifles are great. When on “safe” it de cocks so no chance to fire Agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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