Matty89 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) Moving house to something a little bigger as at the ripe old age of 28, I feel it won't be long before me and my girlfriend will start our own family, we should get the keys by the 26th January all being well. It's 3 bedroom but we need a spare room and an office so no gun room for me. There is considerable storage space though and I have managed to secure exclusive rights (i'll get this in writing) to 2 storage cupboards and the shed. Upstairs storage cupboard is 1200mm square with about 1500mm clear height (no idea what to use for) and the second is under stair storage as per the pictures below: The under stair storage is about 1500 x 2200mm with around 2200mm clear height at the highest point dropping down to probably 300mm at the lowest point, pictures of stairs and a photo looking at the door that accesses the area from the living room: (for context below) It's quite new in terms of build but solid walls through to the neighbouring property so i'll fix a large cabinet in the right hand corner, i'll sit this on a little ammo safe so I don't need to cut the skirting board, ill fit a packer the full length of all exposed edges which fixings will go through. All the slabs of cartridges can sit in the spot where there is very low clear height and make good use of this area . My reason for posting: I really do want to make the most of this little bit of my own personal space and treat it as a mini project. Does anyone have a similar set-up and were there any space saving miracles that let you get more from the tiny space you had available|? I'd like to clean my guns and reload in there to as well as some storage shelves if possible. Maybe some camping style tricks such as fold up tables that drop down when not in use etc. I'll only need this room for -Cartridges -Gun cabinet -Glasses, Defenders and other such Accessories (Decoying kit etc would sit in the shed) I'll also be fitting a door knob with the keyed access like this, just so i'm the only person that goes in should family be around and such, like this: https://www.thedoorhandlestore.com/Dale-Hardware-Bala-Knobsets-Satin-Stainless-Steel-p/6950.htm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp7ei8dTN2AIVbbftCh3rlgT7EAQYAiABEgJMSPD_BwE Any suggestions or pictures of your own little tricks and ideas would be massively appreciated. It's a stressful time moving but all I can think of is this bloody under stair storage room! Edited January 10, 2018 by Matty89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetree Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Pinterest is a brilliant place for photos of ideas and inspiration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Personally to make the most of the space, I’d be taking some 4mm steel sheets and lining all of the walls/ floor, and putting a nice looking security door on there, effectively turning the whole space into a gun room, it’s expensive but I think it would be worth it, just to have all your guns on the wall instead of locked up in a cabinet where dings and scratches are more likely, just my 2 pence tho ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gun stocks Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 I’ve a brick cupboard in my utility room. No windows and a normal pitched roof with plasterboard ceiling. I swapped the door for a steel security one and I was granted a gun room by Thames valley police. this was my first ever grant too. No alarm needed unless I went over 10 guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moor man Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Hi Matty, I have fitted extra battery operated pir lighting in my gun cabinet and ammo cabinet. Also have an extra light above the adjacent storage area. Lights come on automatically and immediately i open the doors and shut off 15 second after closing. Cabinet lined with industrial type carpet ( thin and fairly dust free ) for quiet early morning trips and protection from dings. Hooks for storage of gun bags/slings/belts. Need to fit some shelves yet for micsellaneous items. The two cabinet lights were from lidl, £5 each and the other one off evilbay, less than a fiver. Just a few ideas to start you off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty89 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 15 hours ago, treetree said: Pinterest is a brilliant place for photos of ideas and inspiration. i'll have a look, Cheers 14 hours ago, Jay1234 said: Personally to make the most of the space, I’d be taking some 4mm steel sheets and lining all of the walls/ floor, and putting a nice looking security door on there, effectively turning the whole space into a gun room, it’s expensive but I think it would be worth it, just to have all your guns on the wall instead of locked up in a cabinet where dings and scratches are more likely, just my 2 pence tho ? Great Idea and it would be nice to mount to the wall instead and have a proper walk in gun room but i'd have to change the frame and door leaf I think it's a no go zone with the other half unless i can find a really really nice metal door lol. I suppose the frame could be powder coated white. One to consider but may take a lot of bribery! 13 hours ago, gun stocks said: I’ve a brick cupboard in my utility room. No windows and a normal pitched roof with plasterboard ceiling. I swapped the door for a steel security one and I was granted a gun room by Thames valley police. this was my first ever grant too. No alarm needed unless I went over 10 guns. Would be good to have a gun room i'll have to look into the metal door options, can't be too obvious as its accessed off the living room and the missus is very fussy with everything being perfect. 11 hours ago, moor man said: Hi Matty, I have fitted extra battery operated pir lighting in my gun cabinet and ammo cabinet. Also have an extra light above the adjacent storage area. Lights come on automatically and immediately i open the doors and shut off 15 second after closing. Cabinet lined with industrial type carpet ( thin and fairly dust free ) for quiet early morning trips and protection from dings. Hooks for storage of gun bags/slings/belts. Need to fit some shelves yet for micsellaneous items. The two cabinet lights were from lidl, £5 each and the other one off evilbay, less than a fiver. Just a few ideas to start you off? Cheers for those ideas mate looks well, I definitely need some battery operated lights in there, could make them a bit of feature as well as their function. Definitely need hooks for such items and yes looking in to some space saving storage shelves and a fold out table for gun cleaning and maybe reloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Don't know if there's anything in the Security Guidance of any use.? But at least you can tell the FEO that you have used their guidance,! htps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-handbook-2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty89 Posted January 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Having a good read of the Home Office Firearms Security Manual I'll have to have a cabinet in there by the looks of things which is a shame as it would have freed up space if I could wall mount. The external wall is suitable for fixing to for the cabinet, unfortunately the other 2 walls are stud partitions so i'd have to remove the plasterboard to retrofit a layer of steel mesh and then make good again. Same with the ceiling aswell as obviously a steel door to make it a gun room. I may just put a cabinet in there for storage of my guns, however fix a wall mounted peg style board so I can permanently mount my Air Rifle to the wall and when occupying the room to clean my guns I could temporarily mount them to the wall and put back in the cabinet post clean. 1 hour ago, seeker said: Don't know if there's anything in the Security Guidance of any use.? But at least you can tell the FEO that you have used their guidance,! htps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/firearms-handbook-2005 cheers seeker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 4mm steel sheets?!!!!! Tad over the top I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Seadog1408 said: 4mm steel sheets?!!!!! Tad over the top I think. How thick is the steel in your gun cabinet door? Edited January 11, 2018 by Jay1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 2mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Seadog1408 said: 2mm In the door?? Iv never heard of a door being that thin, maybe the walls tho, wel either way, it may be overkill to sub but it you are putting them in a secure place to actually keep them safe and not just because you have too, then I’d go over the top every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jay1234 said: In the door?? Iv never heard of a door being that thin, maybe the walls tho, wel either way, it may be overkill to sub but it you are putting them in a secure place to actually keep them safe and not just because you have too, then I’d go over the top every time Although not an expert, I think the whole cabinet is made from 2mm steel (not sure gauge size) same with the door, although of course it is pressed and welded with locks inside. There is a lot of weight difference between 2 and 4 mm sheet especially when using fixings to brick walls. Edited January 11, 2018 by Seadog1408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Seadog1408 said: Although not an expert, I think the whole cabinet is made from 2mm steel (not sure gauge size) same with the door, although of course it is pressed and welded with locks inside. There is a lot of weight difference between 2 and 4 mm sheet especially when using fixings to brick walls. As a general rule, the door will be about 50% thicker than the walls of the cabinet, if you buy one, that goes for safes too, and yes whole the 4mm weighs twice as much, any house with solid brickwork can handle it with ease, when I built my safe I brought a 4mm thick solid door and built the rest of the safe from 4mm stainless (withstands heat better) and the whole thing is hung from 4 wall anchors and didn’t touch the floor as I didn’t want to cut the skirting board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Have you got a link for the ones with thicker steel on the doors, I can only find ones with equal thickness? thanks mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Seadog1408 said: Have you got a link for the ones with thicker steel on the doors, I can only find ones with equal thickness? thanks mike Yeah sure il have a look for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 31 minutes ago, Seadog1408 said: Have you got a link for the ones with thicker steel on the doors, I can only find ones with equal thickness? thanks mike Here you go mike, if I was to buy a safe I’d always use there guys https://www.ardmoor.co.uk/buffalo-river-gun-safes?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu8_M77PQ2AIV6J3tCh2k-Q05EAAYAiAAEgIr0fD_BwE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu8_M77PQ2AIV6J3tCh2k-Q05EAAYAiAAEgIr0fD_BwE jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog1408 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 ^^^^^^ thank you jay.^^^^^^^^ mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Seadog1408 said: ^^^^^^ thank you jay.^^^^^^^^ mike No worries ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 9 hours ago, Matty89 said: i'll have a look, Cheers Great Idea and it would be nice to mount to the wall instead and have a proper walk in gun room but i'd have to change the frame and door leaf I think it's a no go zone with the other half unless i can find a really really nice metal door lol. I suppose the frame could be powder coated white. One to consider but may take a lot of bribery! Would be good to have a gun room i'll have to look into the metal door options, can't be too obvious as its accessed off the living room and the missus is very fussy with everything being perfect. You can get some really fancy gunroom doors, not too badly priced, and don’t change the door frame, just drill through it and into the brick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty89 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 17 hours ago, Jay1234 said: You can get some really fancy gunroom doors, not too badly priced, and don’t change the door frame, just drill through it and into the brick Unless it matched the other doors not good enough apparently! As much as i'd like to though! Going to go have a measure up soon and i can quickly drop up the layout! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Well that’s easy, just replace every door with safe doors! But no id just leave the original door in place then build a gunroom behind it, or just buy a big *** safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty89 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, Jay1234 said: Well that’s easy, just replace every door with safe doors! But no id just leave the original door in place then build a gunroom behind it, or just buy a big *** safe Hmmm I'll look into this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Witch one you looking into? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 14, 2018 Report Share Posted January 14, 2018 Your house will just look silly if you go to extremes to have a metal door / gun room. How many guns do you even own? In years down the line when you want to move to another house you’ll want a cabinet that you can just unscrew and the room is undamaged and won’t look silly to potential buyers, whilst you can just go and bolt the cabinet into the wall of your new house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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