TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) No pain here, I just like claims to be backed up by something solid. I have happily dealt with my own occasional misfires and lots from other people, they normally got put aside and when a few had accumulated they would be stripped down for the components and the powder was used for fireworks. The unused primers went in to the burn box and were destroyed on our next outing to the range. Edited March 4, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE Spellage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No pain here, I just like claims to be backed up by something solid. I have happily dealt with my own occasional misfires and lots from other people, they normally got put aside and when a few had accunmulated they woukld be stripped down for the components and the powder was used for fireworks. The unused primers went in to the burn box and were destroyed on our next outing to the range. Im pretty much in line with you on the misfire's, but I'm somewhat surprised that you still 'need' me to provide 'you' with something more than a BASC Publication on the subject I'm willing to wager that they did their homework before categorically stating that something is 'illegal' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Wager away, but you stated to bury a single round was illegal and I asked for proof of your claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Wager away, but you stated to bury a single round was illegal and I asked for proof of your claim. And I gave to a link to someone else saying the same thing……… BASC!!!!!! Your turn (I would send a love heart if I could find one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) Okay so you made what is effectively an unsubstantiated claim. Illegal means against the law, you cannot provide that law. Anyone else want to give KB1 the evidence he lacks? Edited March 4, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) I wish you would stop making me laugh, its not good for my indigestion………. So both me and BASC have made unsubstantiated claims according to the RH Tightchoke PS. Did you not stop to think about your last statement (aimed at winning a social media point) before you made it? If everyone on a well used shooting ground decided to bury 'a single' round then its possible over time to end up with something akin to a minefield……… I'm guessing that the law in which BASC refer to was passed with this in mind PPS. There are many things in life that I know are illegal, but I'd be hard pressed to find you the relevant publications….. And last of all, if you feel able to give an answer……… Do YOU think BASC have got it wrong, and that they DO NOT understand the word 'Illegal'??????? Edited March 4, 2018 by KB1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Now you are waffling, please either state the law as you see it or retract your earlier unsubstantiated claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Now you are waffling, please either state the law as you see it or retract your earlier unsubstantiated claim. Reading in between the lines; your pride is dented Do YOU think BASC have got it wrong, and that they DO NOT understand the word 'Illegal'??????? Edited March 4, 2018 by KB1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 No pride dented at all, you simply read wrongly, like you did with trying to substantiate your pointless claim. Can you tell us which law would make burying a single shotgun round misfire illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: No pride dented at all, you simply read wrongly, like you did with trying to substantiate your pointless claim. Can you tell us which law would make burying a single shotgun round misfire illegal? Do YOU think BASC have got it wrong, and that they DO NOT understand the word 'Illegal'??????? Is it so difficult to answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Not difficult to answer, I would like to see which law they and you think makes burying a single shotgun misfired round illegal, you cannot provide the answer and they do not offer a link to one. Please retract you unsubstantiated claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, KB1 said: It doesn't what? As to what specific law, I haven't got a clue I assume that your referring to the third person is me Ive now passed the onus onto BASC You so want me to be wrong……… I can feel your pain TC it doesn't remove the subjective nature of what one person deems safe practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M37 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 I'm just here for the comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, ClemFandango said: it doesn't remove the subjective nature of what one person deems safe practice. "which I would have said is safe…" That was your statement. If the law states it is illegal to bury misfire's then it removes any subjective interpretation of how you deem burial of that round to be safe…….. 28 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Not difficult to answer, I would like to see which law they and you think makes burying a single shotgun misfired round illegal, you cannot provide the answer and they do not offer a link to one. Please retract you unsubstantiated claim. Do YOU think BASC have got it wrong, and that they DO NOT understand the word 'Illegal'??????? Yes or No???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) Yes I understand the word ILLEGAL, do you? I simply wish to know what law anybody would be breaking by burying a single misfired shotgun round, you are unable to tell me and BASC are in bed. You stated it was illegal, you say you were told a long time ago, then when held to account you searched and found that BASC say it is illegal in a quoted piece of guidance and again they do not mention which law it would be breaking. I await you telling me which law and anyone else for that matter. I will then happily apologise if and when the law is quoted. In the mean time I have asked BASC which law they are on about and hope for an answer from them soon. If you are unable to state the law in question please retract your unsubstantiated statement. Edited March 4, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Mine field! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Yes I understand the word ILLEGAL, do you? I simply wish to know what law anybody would be breaking by burying a single misfired shotgun round, you are unable to tell me and BASC are in bed. You stated it was illegal, you say you were told a long time ago, then when held to account you searched and found that BASC say it is illegal in a quoted piece of guidance and again they do not mention which law it would be breaking. I await you telling me which law and anyone else for that matter. I will then happily apologise if and when the law in quoted. In the mean time I have asked BASC which law they are on about and hope for an answer from them soon. If you are unable to state the law in question please retract your unsubstantiated statement. Do YOU think BASC have got it wrong, and that they DO NOT understand the word 'Illegal'??????? Yes or No???? That was the question to which you continually avoid the answer…. I provided substantiation, albeit not to your satisfaction and regarding retraction of my statement, I will do that at the same time you get BASC to retract theirs! You keep harping on about a single round as if thats somehow a demonstration of mitigation…….. If a law states 'No Burial' (and we will I'm sure soon find out from BASC where it is written in stone) it means just that; NO BURIAL! Not one or one thousand……. It would appear that you are just arguing for the sake of argument Just now, motty said: Mine field! Akin to…… used as an analogy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) KB1 until you or BASC or anyone else can tell me which law is being broken if someone was to bury a single misfired shotgun round I question the use of the word illegal which means a law has been broken. You stated it and repeatedly fail to provide the backing for you unsubstantiated statement. Consequently it is not illegal. If you are unable to back up your claim or engage in reasoned argument perhaps you might be better off seeking out the proof you have failed to find. Edited March 4, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE Addition of KB1s name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Until you or BASC or anyone else can tell me which law is being broken if someone was to bury a single misfired shotgun round I question the use of the word illegal which means a law has been broken. You stated it and repeatedly fail to provide the backing for you unsubstantiated statement. Consequently it is not illegal. If you are unable to back up your claim or engage in reasoned argument perhaps you might be better off seeking out the proof you have failed to find. BASC's statement is proof enough for me; after all it does seem to be a law based on common sense. A scenario for anyone failing to grasp the gravity of such a law: A shooting estate where guns have been burying 'the odd' misfire over the years is subsequently sold and the new owners stop the shoot and instead decide to let their kids play at the edge of the woods……. One day one of them goes metal detecting…. whacks in the spade and that tightly packed cartridge pops back up into their face! You could dream up many more scenarios…. You may scoff at the above, and see fit to pour ridicule on it, but if you can't see why a reasonable and sane law on burial of live rounds is credible, then in my opinion you are not fit to hold a license…... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) So you can't, stop your waffling, we all accept disposing of a misfire by burying it is not the correct way but it is not illegal. You are now trying to justify your mistake by saying "it does seem to be a law based on common sense. A scenario for anyone failing to grasp the gravity of such a law: A shooting estate where guns have been burying 'the odd' misfire over the years is subsequently sold and the new owners stop the shoot and instead decide to let their kids play at the edge of the woods……. One day one of them goes metal detecting…. whacks in the spade and that tightly packed cartridge pops back up into their face! You could dream up many more scenarios…. You may scoff at the above, and see fit to pour ridicule on it, but if you can't see why a reasonable and sane law on burial of live rounds is credible, then in my opinion you are not fit to hold a license." Now you are trying to get personal, get a grip and admit you were wrong. Edited March 4, 2018 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, KB1 said: BASC's statement is proof enough for me; after all it does seem to be a law based on common sense. A scenario for anyone failing to grasp the gravity of such a law: A shooting estate where guns have been burying 'the odd' misfire over the years is subsequently sold and the new owners stop the shoot and instead decide to let their kids play at the edge of the woods……. One day one of them goes metal detecting…. whacks in the spade and that tightly packed cartridge pops back up into their face! You could dream up many more scenarios…. You may scoff at the above, and see fit to pour ridicule on it, but if you can't see why a reasonable and sane law on burial of live rounds is credible, then in my opinion you are not fit to hold a license…... You do actually think that a buried cartridge is really dangerous, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 KB1 I await your apology about your comment i have hilighted in red, you are out of order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB1 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: KB1 I await your apology about your comment i have hilighted in red, you are out of order. Whilst you appear to be trying to justify the burial of a single live round, you'll be getting no apology from me!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 minute ago, KB1 said: Whilst you appear to be trying to justify the burial of a single live round, you'll be getting no apology from me!!!! Not exactly a live round though, more a piece of plastic and metal that contains a bit of powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Okay then you are a damned fool who is unable to back up his claim and is then throwing around unwarranted abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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