islandgun Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 Does anyone load ITX with fibre wads ? guess it would be fine with a shot cup but cups are only available in 12 bore.. Clay and game recommend using plastic wads but that may be a marketing ploy.. any thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted February 11, 2019 Report Share Posted February 11, 2019 I wouldnt use it without a shotcup for fear of damaging barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 continental shooter reloads itx10 and fibre wads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 It scored my damascus barrel in a old gun, I used a fibre wad , with the inverted card cup system , soon kicked that into touch . Needs a wrap to protect your barrel like you would always with itm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, shakin stevens said: It scored my damascus barrel in a old gun, I used a fibre wad , with the inverted card cup system , soon kicked that into touch . Needs a wrap to protect your barrel like you would always with itm. There is likely to be score damage to bores when using totally enclosed card cups in short cartridges through long chambers too! The card cups can break up when entering the forcing cone, allowing the shot to come into contact with the bore during the breaching of the gap between the case mouth and the barrel proper!..........Had it in a 4 1/4" chambered 8 bore when using......3 1/4" cartridges! Tungsten based ( ITM/ITX etc) shot will score the bores, if it comes into contact with them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted February 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Thanks very much gents..so that's plastic then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 Clay and Game sell plastic 410 cups, I have used them. ITX is too hard not to use a plastic shroud in my view. Strange shaped stuff though and made me wonder if it would 'fly' well but have killed a fair few ducks with it so it must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, shakin stevens said: It scored my damascus barrel in a old gun, I used a fibre wad , with the inverted card cup system , soon kicked that into touch . Needs a wrap to protect your barrel like you would always with itm. thats what i have always thought, and had great debate about. how soft is soft enough to use in specialised shotguns. when i did my testing of itx10, it was with the tubo24, gualandi wad. it fits about 30grams of itx10. a fantastic catrtidge actually that slightly performs better than comparable 32g niceshot and bismuth. with this itx 10 stuff i would easily try and load +2 shotsizes, compared to lead.nb, model used 1400fps loads. Edited February 13, 2019 by cookoff013 clarification- edit in red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 It all depends on the ITX: Itx10 is fine to load with regular wads no probs. When I checked that with BPI they said they had successfully load it with gualandi and b&p wads. The Issue I found with fiber is that it doesn't pattern well at the speed required (BPI suggested 1350-1450fps) for most foreshore shooting. Most likely due to the gases escaping and causing pellets to move astray and some deformation in the pellets when in contact with the barrel (some pellets unrecovered were flattened in on side). I think a mylar wrap could reduce deformation and potentially a gas seal eradicate the issue with gases. Slower loads pattern well but when I submitted the data the BPI technician advised to shot these over decoys for best result. ITX13 is a completely different pair of hands and it does require steel rated wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 51 minutes ago, Continental Shooter said: It all depends on the ITX: Itx10 is fine to load with regular wads no probs. When I checked that with BPI they said they had successfully load it with gualandi and b&p wads. The Issue I found with fiber is that it doesn't pattern well at the speed required (BPI suggested 1350-1450fps) for most foreshore shooting. Most likely due to the gases escaping and causing pellets to move astray and some deformation in the pellets when in contact with the barrel (some pellets unrecovered were flattened in on side). I think a mylar wrap could reduce deformation and potentially a gas seal eradicate the issue with gases. Slower loads pattern well but when I submitted the data the BPI technician advised to shot these over decoys for best result. ITX13 is a completely different pair of hands and it does require steel rated wads. good post, there is a world of difference between itx10 and itx13 or extreme 13 if i was to design and build a load now, i`d try and find lead loads using the fsc- fibre shotcups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Continental Shooter Posted February 13, 2019 Report Share Posted February 13, 2019 6 hours ago, cookoff013 said: good post, there is a world of difference between itx10 and itx13 or extreme 13 if i was to design and build a load now, i`d try and find lead loads using the fsc- fibre shotcups. Yeah, that's what I've done based on your volumetric tests. It works great with ITX10, the only thing is I'd probably increase the powder by 0.05 and drop 0.5g from the it's volume. That'll ensure a good doped with good stopping power. For decoys/pond shooting even just the increase in powder will give you a good shell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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