figgy Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Unless lead shot hit bone I've never seen it expand in the flesh of a bird. If you go up two or three shot sizes it as recommended it should cause more shock and bigger wound channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Perazzishot said: When plucking them you will often find the steel shot has passed straight through them! Which suggests too much penetration and not enough pattern density. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 19/08/2019 at 08:32, Perazzishot said: I've already used RC Hyperfast Technosteel and Eley Vip Steel on duck drives and brought down some good duck and also seen very good duck being brought down with them. The only complaint I have with them is that steel does not have the same initial shock thump on impact where it expands. You will see ducks fly 300-600 yards then just fall dead out the sky. When plucking them you will often find the steel shot has passed straight through them! Not that old chestnut again! Lead shot also passes through birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
452 solution Posted October 6, 2019 Report Share Posted October 6, 2019 Melbourne guns in Derbyshire has them in stock 32grams number 5 shot , think country man Derby can order them in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 bought a box of vip steel #3 as a temporary stop gap till i could reload a batch for duck myself.Good to 25 yards on teal for example --after that its flapper.Utter rubbish for the foreshore so for gawds sake do not use on geese even close geese.Good for ponds or close mallard aye but not for shoregunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 19/10/2019 at 14:36, bishop said: bought a box of vip steel #3 as a temporary stop gap till i could reload a batch for duck myself.Good to 25 yards on teal for example --after that its flapper.Utter rubbish for the foreshore so for gawds sake do not use on geese even close geese.Good for ponds or close mallard aye but not for shoregunning. I can't really agree with you on this. You sure it wasn't just poor shooting? The cartridges are the last thing I blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Be worth putting some over a chronograph, I noticed they're not HP carts only standard for all guns without steel shot proof. Pattern a couple at range. Edited October 21, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Agreed id like to see whats going on here . Edited October 21, 2019 by bishop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, motty said: I can't really agree with you on this. You sure it wasn't just poor shooting? The cartridges are the last thing I blame. Motty i see from your previous comment ,you have not used the# 3 shot ,so really,you are not in a position to agree or disagree. Best try a box first .A few fellas i know have tried them on duck making their opinions valid,lads who like myself have been at this a very long time and they do agree the #3 are wanting..They are fine for shorter distances.Over water you can really see how dire the patterning is.I sure as hell would not use them on a goose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 Have recently brought some of the new VIP steel Pro ECO Game 12ga to try but have not had opportunity yet. but I do notice that the published velocity is low compared to other ELey steel cartridges like the lightning which I have used without issue. these are published muzzle velocities VIP steel pro eco game 1279 fps VIP steel 1377 fps VIP steel lightning 1430 fps Which suggests their may be an issue with driving the wads to lightning speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 I watched a shooting video of them being used on pigeons and close in great bit further out I noticed not as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 8 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: Have recently brought some of the new VIP steel Pro ECO Game 12ga to try but have not had opportunity yet. but I do notice that the published velocity is low compared to other ELey steel cartridges like the lightning which I have used without issue. these are published muzzle velocities VIP steel pro eco game 1279 fps VIP steel 1377 fps VIP steel lightning 1430 fps Which suggests their may be an issue with driving the wads to lightning speeds. Speed is overrated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Motty, if they were lead shot I would agree with you just not quite so certain given they are steel pellets, which will lose their velocity and energy very much quicker than lead. And their is a limit to how much bigger in size you can go or the pattern will be no use either. hopefully fine for duck but as has been said i think if I was going for geese then I would take an alternative, just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 15 hours ago, motty said: Speed is overrated! Fast steel used simply for its own sake does not always put a bird in the bag we all know theres a lot more to shooting than the cartridge but if the added confidence instilled by its use improves a shooters mindset ,or the shorter lead distance improves his/her marksmanship then by all means fill yer boots i say and use fast cartridges.At the end of the day its each shooters own choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, bishop said: Fast steel used simply for its own sake does not always put a bird in the bag we all know theres a lot more to shooting than the cartridge but if the added confidence instilled by its use improves a shooters mindset ,or the shorter lead distance improves his/her marksmanship then by all means fill yer boots i say and use fast cartridges.At the end of the day its each shooters own choice. Possibly, but there is little difference between the above-mentioned 1279 and 1430 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, motty said: Possibly, but there is little difference between the above-mentioned 1279 and 1430 fps. agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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