dazzyboi Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Is it OK to break up the gun and take a part with you and left the rest in a locked car hidden away whilst the car is un-attended? As i work 30 miles from home, i find it difficult to get home from work, grab my gear then head out to my permission in time for decent shooting at 1 piece of permission i have gained, by the time i get there its time to pack up and go home, so I am planning on storing my gun broken up in a locked car in bits. I.E ill put the barrel hidden in a case in the boot under all the covers. Put the action in a case hidden somewhere else and take the fore-end with me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Should be OK. I leave my gun locked in the boot of my car outside my office in a dodgy part of London. I usually take the forend into the office and stick the barrels under the boot liner. Its all about taking reasonable precautions and being able to prove it if the gun's been nicked. If you're worried chain the gun to part of the car. As long as the car's locked and alarmed/immobilised I would say that's reasonable precaution. If you're going to do it every day you might want to look at getting something more permanent though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I have pondered this one many times over the years as me too have the same problem. I would prefer to have the set up with me as it is a hassle going home getting your gear and then heading out. Spoke to my FEO about it in the end, and all he says is 'It is not advisable to leave a gun out of your line of sight. On the other hand when I suggest breaking it down again he says- Thats fine but if you lose a gun in whole or in part you still have a big problem' I think it is one of those things where you have to risk access the situation of where your car will be, for how long and go from there. Regards starlight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted August 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 The thing its, i only ever go shooting when im doing a 8-4 shift, when im doing an 8-4 shift I am usually the first one in the head office, when im the first one in the head office i park right at the front of the building guarded by a number of CCTV Camera's, also right next to a room that is constantly being used by people i know, so the likelyhood of a break-in is unlikely, also the head office is located in the valleys of South Wales which is hardly east/south london. I would say that in about 2 weeks im likely to go shooting 2-3 times, when the summer ends I will probably be going to this permission on the weekends only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 You'll get varying answers to this, The essence is on you making reasonable precautions for the safe carriage of the gun. You then have the is it acceptable to be left in the car while at work and really its all down to interpretation of the law as once again the situation is as clear as mud. If the gun is hidden from view in a locked and alarmed car and you have taken the fore end with you I think you are fine. If you are worried you could get a safe to go in the car but they are pretty cumbersome. I'd bet your FEO will be non commital on the subject and the thing to bear in mind is it won't be him charging you with anything. What you'll have to justify is the need to take it to work rather than going home to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 buy a trigger guard lock,or maybe a chain that would go through the loops in the floor of most boots. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted August 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 buy a trigger guard lock,or maybe a chain that would go through the loops in the floor of most boots. :( Think I will do the above to show that I am doing everything in my power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 buy a trigger guard lock,or maybe a chain that would go through the loops in the floor of most boots. :( Think I will do the above to show that I am doing everything in my power. Can you remove the bolt or firing pin also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted August 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 buy a trigger guard lock,or maybe a chain that would go through the loops in the floor of most boots. :( Think I will do the above to show that I am doing everything in my power. Can you remove the bolt or firing pin also? Its a shotgun, not sure if you can quickly remove the firing pin from it without a lot of fiddling/taking the gun apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyl Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 The thing its, i only ever go shooting when im doing a 8-4 shift, when im doing an 8-4 shift I am usually the first one in the head office, when im the first one in the head office i park right at the front of the building guarded by a number of CCTV Camera's, also right next to a room that is constantly being used by people i know, so the likelyhood of a break-in is unlikely, also the head office is located in the valleys of South Wales which is hardly east/south london. I would say that in about 2 weeks im likely to go shooting 2-3 times, when the summer ends I will probably be going to this permission on the weekends only. I saw one of the major gun makers makes a wire mesh bag that will take a broken down shotgun and can be locked to any reasonably unmovable object. If you are office based would it be possible to secure it to your desk? As long as the public have no access and your employer doesn't object that may be an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I was only discussing this with some fella's over a pint after a clay shoot ..........all our guns were locked outside in the vehicles and basically the thing is IF someone was to pinch your vehicle ,not knowingly aware of it's contents then basically you could be on thin ice ..............As far as I'm aware i don't think there as been a test case of this senario so who knows . I suppose the easy answer is to air on the side of caution by treating the vehicle like your own house whereby the house can be locked and alarmed (If need be ) but your still required the additional security of securing the shotgun either in a cabinet or chained down through the trigger guard (Apparantly there is no legal requirement for a cabinet :( ) Ring BASC legal department if your a member . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 there is no law on keeping a gun in the car for a short time, all they say is to keep it out of site and take a part of the gun with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I think napier make a slip that you can fix to the car via a wire loop somehow http://www.napieruk.com/slips.html#Protector%202%20SECURE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 My FEO said that if you take the forend with you then its fine (if its a shotgun) as the gun cannot be cocked without it and therefore cannot be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 there is no law on keeping a gun in the car for a short time, all they say is to keep it out of site and take a part of the gun with you. like I said Mossy the legal experts don't really know ...............it's one of those area's requiring a test case to form a bench mark IMO ..........and knowing this Country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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