jammy1800 Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 im currently going the process of applying for a firearms license so i can hopefully get a 17 hmr as a bunny bashing gun at longer ranges thn my current air rifle, first id like to know your views on a perfect set up for this gun including bipod, scope and sound moderator and anyhting else you would suggest eg range finder id hope not to pay more than 250 pounds for all of these accesories although not sure if ranger finder is needed also would like to know if it is worth paying the extra money for a CZ rifle or if a savage is adequate??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 im currently going the process of applying for a firearms license so i can hopefully get a 17 hmr as a bunny bashing gun at longer ranges thn my current air rifle, first id like to know your views on a perfect set up for this gun including bipod, scope and sound moderator and anyhting else you would suggest eg range finder id hope not to pay more than 250 pounds for all of these accesories although not sure if ranger finder is needed also would like to know if it is worth paying the extra money for a CZ rifle or if a savage is adequate??? Perfect set up? mine. :( You wont go wrong with a cz. Spend the extra and get a decent rifle, not a savage. I`ve got a merlin 10-40x56 on mine which is quite big but i like it. The best scope you can afford with a good zoom range is the best advice really 4-14, 4-16, will be ok. Merlin, mtc viper,good scopes for the money. Harris bipod. Sak moderator. Or dm80. I have one but its 70 quid rather than 30 for the SAK. I personally like having a rangefinder. Its worth its weight with a hmr. I started with a bushnell yardage pro which i paid 150 quid for which is ok for hmr ranges. Fleabay has them well cheap from the US. Sling. A nice wide one, like a butler creek neoprene. Cheers Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Firstly, don't want to shatter your illusions, but I doubt you would get 'the ultimate 17 HMR & accessories' for the sums your talking...but you should be able to do alright and get a good working set-up. Secondly, I presume your buying secondhand (got that from the 'paying extra money for a CZ'!!) - personally I would prefer a savage to a CZ anyway. Accessories for £250. Bipod: stoney point polecat (would be my choice), and scope: Nikko Sterling Nighteater 6-24 x 56mm (or MTC Viper but I think these are a bit more money), plus a butler creek comfort stretch sling, mod for a 17...take your pick, not much in them IMO. Rangefinder, wouldn't bother, do some decent range work, learn your scope, pick it up from your homework and save yourself a bundle. All the above are my opinons, nothing more, nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 I'd say you'll find the rangefinder very useful especially the more you use the gun. Basically out to 150 yards most things are dead just aim and point. Over that drop does become an issue and as the gun is so capable you will find yourself trying 200 yard shots with a known range you'll be surprised what you can hit. But you won't get a scope, bipod, moderator and rangefinder for £250. You'll get the first 3 but the rangefinder will be on top of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammy1800 Posted August 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 thanks for all the advice when i say ultimate i mean ultimate for my money and will hopefully find one secondhand but not quite sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 IMO Only buy the best, dont get any alternatives.. If your buying a good gun, dont ruin it by buying cheap/nasty accessories. I have a Harris Bipod, an imported Simmons scope and a SAK Mod. All a worthy buy. Also get a good set of scope mounts (Sportsmatch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammy1800 Posted August 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 ok you've all given me good ideas and opinions all i really need to know now is if the savage is a gun worth getting or is it worth sticking with buying the more expensive cz or any other make?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 How much do you want to spend for a complete set up - mine is going up for sale soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammy1800 Posted August 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 well £500 ish im only a kid so hoping for rifle or money towards rifle for christmas and i shoud of got enough money fromm working for all accesories then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 How much do you want to spend for a complete set up - mine is going up for sale soon? Just as a matter of interest how much will you be looking for? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 How much do you want to spend for a complete set up - mine is going up for sale soon? Just as a matter of interest how much will you be looking for? :( on that bit i am unsure - any good suggestions would be appriciated ( Gun is 12 months old, fired 2000 rounds, couple of dings in the stock - nothing serious, sure the would come out with an iron -also comes with 2 mags, an Ase mod which is brand new, and ive just put a new scope on it - BSA sweet 17 6-18x40mm, but have another brand new scope if thats no good to you (4-16 x 50mm with A7 reticule & red dot) and it also has a rockmount bipod on it ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 on that bit i am unsure - any good suggestions would be appriciated ( Gun is 12 months old, fired 2000 rounds, couple of dings in the stock - nothing serious, sure the would come out with an iron -also comes with 2 mags, an Ase mod which is brand new, and ive just put a new scope on it - BSA sweet 17 6-18x40mm, but have another brand new scope if thats no good to you (4-16 x 50mm with A7 reticule & red dot) and it also has a rockmount bipod on it ) Wouldn't be parting with that separately by any chance?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Wouldn't be parting with that separately by any chance?? want to try to keep it all together really shame you didnt ask last week as i have just sold 1 to mark bivvy :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davo Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Only picked up the quad today so I'm borrowing the Sak off the.22lr at the moment, no worries nice bit of kit you're package, or so I read somewhere. :( Sorry for the hijack of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 don't bother i bought both the 22 r/f and the 17 hmr at the same time only take the 22 out and have taken rabbits out at 100 yrds head shots the only reason ive still got it is because i got knocked back on the 223 which i will have shortly or a 243 then the hmr will be up for sale . im one of the few that believe in the 22 over the hmr imho :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 im one of the few that believe in the 22 over the hmr imho I,m with you on that 1...like the challenge of working out the trajectory at different ranges Although i do have centrefires for fox so no use for a 17 :( GH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 im one of the few that believe in the 22 over the hmr imho I,m with you on that 1...like the challenge of working out the trajectory at different ranges Although i do have centrefires for fox so no use for a 17 :( GH .22lr for when money and noise is an issue .223 for when foxes or long range rabbits/crows are involved, no room for HMR in my collection im affraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 im one of the few that believe in the 22 over the hmr Don't think your the only one magman, personally reckon it may be a bit of a 'fad' rimfire round like so many others. The .22LR will see them all off over time. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 im one of the few that believe in the 22 over the hmr Don't think your the only one magman, personally reckon it may be a bit of a 'fad' rimfire round like so many others. The .22LR will see them all off over time. :( not at all, you really want to try one, for general vermin they are a great tool, you'll never in a month of sundays shoot a 150 yard magpie with a .22 but you will with the HMR, rabbits never run even if you fluff the shot slightly yet they will with a .22, for me its a far more versatile tool whether shooting from a vehicle or on foot. Its the accuracy that makes it win over the .22 every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john faul Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 if some one say has a centerfire a 17hmr and a 22lr in most cases most people will find its the 17hmr which is used the least 22 lr for the bunnies centerfire for the foxes and other long range vermin i stand to be corrected on this but this is my view on the subject :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 im currently going the process of applying for a firearms license so i can hopefully get a 17 hmr as a bunny bashing gun at longer ranges thn my current air rifle, first id like to know your views on a perfect set up for this gun including bipod, scope and sound moderator and anyhting else you would suggest eg range finder id hope not to pay more than 250 pounds for all of these accesories although not sure if ranger finder is needed also would like to know if it is worth paying the extra money for a CZ rifle or if a savage is adequate??? Jammy, I don't know prices very well here so I can't really comment on value too much. But from my experienes in the US, I'd take the Savage ($350) over the CZ ($550) and put the money into optics. Reason? I like the savages, I love the accutrigger (wish mine had it), and they shoot as well as a 17 needs to shoot. Some have gotten better results, but mine will hold 1" groups at 100 yd easily, and can shoot in the .75" range without the accutrigger. So at 200 yd (as far as I'd comfortably shoot it) I am in the 2" range. That is plenty tight enough to ensure quick kills on anything I'd be shooting that far. The main problem for me will be SEEING something that I want to hit at that range. I put a 5-15 nikon on mine and wish I had gone more magnification (thought I love the scope). Bigger magnification requires better glass or you loose clarity and brightness. You can make your own bipod if you don't mind it not being a gun mount. Varmint Al's website has instructions for his 'Bi-fur-pod' and it works well. I built mine 48" long at the cross bolt and another 6" for the forks. It works great as a walking stick, but when you want to shoot just split the legs and go for it. You can use it sitting down, kneeling, or standing (as a monopod). I'm going to build another that is short for prone that will fit in a back pocket. So personally I'd save the money on the bipod also. Slings are inexpensive for something of quality (the wide neoprene butler is nice). So to me, optics get the lion's share of the budget. Plus, the hold their value if you want to sell later and will last a lifetime if taken care of. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 if some one say has a centerfire a 17hmr and a 22lr in most cases most people will find its the 17hmr which is used the least 22 lr for the bunnies centerfire for the foxes and other long range vermin i stand to be corrected on this but this is my view on the subject I'd correct you I know a lot of people who no longer take out the .22 unless its somewhere where noise is an issue. After all why take out a gun that has pretty much half the effective range and is no where near as powerful if you see charlie! all depends if you want to take out more than one gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammy1800 Posted August 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 than ks cast thats good advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john faul Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 good point al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 if some one say has a centerfire a 17hmr and a 22lr in most cases most people will find its the 17hmr which is used the least 22 lr for the bunnies centerfire for the foxes and other long range vermin i stand to be corrected on this but this is my view on the subject I'd correct you I know a lot of people who no longer take out the .22 unless its somewhere where noise is an issue. After all why take out a gun that has pretty much half the effective range and is no where near as powerful if you see charlie! all depends if you want to take out more than one gun. the .22lr a cheap, the .223 or a .224 centerfire can do fox control properly. Not worth starting the HMR slagging match off again, however its personal choice, and i have a .22lr and .223 and have no wish at all for something in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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