Arron yeates Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Ah ok ill have a look. Was it matt dubbers vid or air hunters vid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Both have a vid on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaman Posted December 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Ultrastu said: They do shoot well out of a standard st.pellet barrel . Just watched a vid of them shooting at 100 yds at 790 fps . There are .177 .22 .25 .30 .35 in the pipe line You didn’t need to watch the vid , I told you they did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) I've just watched a video by Utah Airguns. The slugs seem to shoot very well. Shooting out to 190 yards. The .177 sound promising in sub12, if they made a light .22 that could ok too. Iirc H&N do a 19 grain. Edited December 3, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 6 hours ago, figgy said: I've just watched a video by Utah Airguns. The slugs seem to shoot very well. Shooting out to 190 yards. The .177 sound promising in sub12, if they made a light .22 that could ok too. Iirc H&N do a 19 grain. If they make the .177 light enough for a sub 12 that would be a great start. Hoping no heavier than 10 or 11 grains though. As justin stated in his video slugs need more energy ckmpared to pellets due to the friction in the barrel. Ive got a silly feeling that the .177 cal version will still be too heave for sub 12 as these slugs all seem to be desigmed for usa market / higher power outputs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Well in the video that i watched (but apparently didnt need to cos villa man has all the answers to questions not asked ) He shoots an fx streamline with standard st pellet barrel .he usually shoots 18 grn jsb s at 30 fpe or 870 fps . He says in the vid he made no adjustments to the gun and the 22 grn hybrids were shooting around 790 fps which is 30 fpe . So i guess these hybrid slugs (in .22 at least )dont seam to rob any muzzle energy . Which is great . So a 10 grn .177 would be fantastic at sub 12 .giving the same trajectory as a 8.4 grn jsb (at 770 fps) and more velocity past 30 yds and much more retained energy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Pity at that money I can’t see me shooting them at 30 yard rats but I suppose we are having to pay for the R&D phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Ultrastu said: Well in the video that i watched (but apparently didnt need to cos villa man has all the answers to questions not asked ) He shoots an fx streamline with standard st pellet barrel .he usually shoots 18 grn jsb s at 30 fpe or 870 fps . He says in the vid he made no adjustments to the gun and the 22 grn hybrids were shooting around 790 fps which is 30 fpe . So i guess these hybrid slugs (in .22 at least )dont seam to rob any muzzle energy . Which is great . So a 10 grn .177 would be fantastic at sub 12 .giving the same trajectory as a 8.4 grn jsb (at 770 fps) and more velocity past 30 yds and much more retained energy . If they do a 10 grain... just have a feeling they will be heavier. They dont mention .177 will be comming. They say there not looking at it at the minute however on one of the cardboard outer packaging tge purple colour is .177 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Arron yeates Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: I know mate but the Air hunter tv lads said theyve been in the testing for months and there not going to do .177 cal for mean while Edited December 3, 2019 by Arron yeates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Not many would buy the .177 slugs apart from in some European countries with power limits. France has a bit more power than us so .177 will be running at higher speed than us. The biggest sellers will be .25 in USA with .30 second. Rest of the world will be a mix of .22 and .25 I think. If they made a 18 or 19 grain I'd still try the slugs even in .22 sub12 just to see how they do. Slower for sure but at distance they should be more effective than pellets. The shape alone will open out even at our power limits. Anyone with fac will have some options. Edited December 3, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Im a bit suprised that the .22 hybrid is 22 grains . As the .25 cal version is 26 grns only 1 grain heavier than a jsb king (standard pellet for fac .25 guns ) These pellets have a hollow core so keeping the weight down should be relatively easy . Maybe they will bring out a lighter (18 grns ish ) .22 and a heavier .25 of around 30 grns . But the whole point of these hybrids is to have pellet like speeds (and air consumption ) but with a slug like bc . The lighter weight making them stop fast and expand prividing excellent killing ability (also safer on unintentional targets ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 The only .22 i have is my sandwell field sports IMP and dont think springers like too heavy a pellet/ slug? Im really interested in the .177 but see what happens with these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Arron time to buy a FX with interchangeable barrels. Ultrastu if you have a look on the ratsniper website they list all the slugs sizes and weights. The FX hybrids are listed, iirc they were more weights to come in future. Edited December 3, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Ive looked already Thats how i know the .25 cal is 26 grns Ps what does iirc mean ? Ive never managed to work it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 “If I recall correctly” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 If I remember correctly, in my case anything within last hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Thanks for that Its bugged me for a long time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 hours ago, figgy said: Arron time to buy a FX with interchangeable barrels. Ultrastu if you have a look on the ratsniper website they list all the slugs sizes and weights. The FX hybrids are listed, iirc they were more weights to come in future. True but the a sub 12 .22 22grain is going to be slower than the .177 hybrid lol sub 12. Do they do a .177 hybrid dlug then or soon maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Heres the answer from the man himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Looking at the image on the first page. The red is 22 .yellow .25 blue .30 And green .35 cal . It looks like the. 30 cal is 39.5 grns and the .35 cal looks like 49.3 grns ( to my eyes ? Which is very light for both slugs compared even to a standard jsb pellet at 50 grns and 81 grns respectively.. I guess if the .25 cal is 26 grns compared to a 25grn jsb and the .22 is 22 grns compared to a 16 grn jsb . Then the slug design has something to do with wall thickness and a minimum thinkness required for it to work ./be made .. Which extrapolating the trend down wards the .177 would be very heavy for its cal .or not have enough cavity inside to be effective on expansion or work with the barrel . Probably around 15 / 17 grns Which might be ok for fac but rather useless for sub 12. (Personally id feel 15 grns too heavy for fac work in .177 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Well thats good news . I guess he knows whats likely to be achived. And if they do work well at 10 grns it will be a complete game changer for all sub 12 .177 pcps .Id predict a bc of around 0.05 as opposed to a jsb exact of 0.021 ish Which will make for a massive jump in performance . For hunters and ft boys alike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 Good news indeed if they shoot accurate. The downrange performance should be impressive. Cost will be the biggest barrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 See my bantam and xtx ultra se both shoot H&N Brracuda mqtch 1.6 grains at: Ultra se 11.7 ft lbs Bantam sniper 11.5ft lbs So i wondwr what a 10 grqin fx hybrid .177 slug would be like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted December 3, 2019 Report Share Posted December 3, 2019 An inch less drop at 50 yds and 2 fpe more energy Oh and half the wind value too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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