1Ab Posted December 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 40 minutes ago, Gunman said: Before even thinking about doing anything else you need to check whether the hammers are dead fall or have some rebound ,which is often set with " nuts" on the mainspring guides Thank you for the feedback, I believe they are deadfall I don't recall seeing any "nuts" or adjustment on the springs. As a test I did add a shim between the tang and the loading bar and it seemed to work. It still needs some figuring out. This smells of a proper bodge job, who in their right mind thinks it ok to take a grinder to a non replaceable part. The least they could do is run a bit scotch-brite over the part to remove the grinder burn to hide their poor workmanship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 As promised It doesn't seem to have any grinder marks on it, mine is also black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Ab Posted December 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Newbie to this said: It doesn't seem to have any grinder marks on it, mine is also black Thanks I appreciate it. Mine was a similarity shape prior to the "fix" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 01/12/2022 at 09:21, 1Ab said: Thank you for the feedback, I believe they are deadfall I don't recall seeing any "nuts" or adjustment on the springs. As a test I did add a shim between the tang and the loading bar and it seemed to work. It still needs some figuring out. This smells of a proper bodge job, who in their right mind thinks it ok to take a grinder to a non replaceable part. The least they could do is run a bit scotch-brite over the part to remove the grinder burn to hide their poor workmanship. The cam or " cocking knibb"as I have heard it referred to will be removable but getting a replacement may not be simple as they change over time . They can also a right pain to fit and get right as it has to be very tight with no movement at all . Prior to retirement I've had to correct numerous guns of similar design. It may be that you have to look at the whole cocking chain , cam /rods or plate / intermediate cam under the hammers if fitted , before attempting or deciding which will be the best way to increase lift speed without stopping the hammers from falling fully . It may only be a matter of a few thou in the right place . Welding or metal spraying can be OK but all the bearing surfaces have to be hard .Many parts are cast so do not weld well and are hardened in a specific way so heat can have a detrimental effect on their integrity . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Ab Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gunman said: The cam or " cocking knibb"as I have heard it referred to will be removable but getting a replacement may not be simple Yes you are absolutely right as I found out yesterday Bettinsoli currently do not have a distributer/importer in the UK. So getting parts is very difficult. As you stated I will have to look at the whole cocking chain and attempt to make it work. I did notice there is quite a bit of travel in the loading bar before it engages the intermediate cam.I may be able to make some adjustment there. I'll strip the action down further hopefully I don't find any more angle grinder machining inside. If all else fails I'll draw up all the parts as I go along and have new ones machined with necessary modifications and heat treat as appropriate. Thank you for posting, your comments are useful and you clearly know what you are talking about. It helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, 1Ab said: I found out yesterday Bettinsoli currently do not have a distributer/importer in the UK. So getting parts is very difficult. Are Ruag Ammotec no longer importing them? https://www.ruag.co.uk/firearms/shotguns/bettinsoli/c32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Ab Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Are Ruag Ammotec no longer importing them? I contacted them yesterday and they said no they are no longer distributing Bettinsoli, I have in the past emailed Bettinsoli but they never respond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 26/07/2022 at 19:29, Westley said: On 26/07/2022 at 19:06, DUNKS said: I use snap caps in my 2 S x S guns due to their V springs and only coming out 4 or 5 times a year, but never in the O/U's. Yes agreed - this is absolutely the correct approach. Relieving coil springs for storage in a modern O/U’s is utterly pointless. Do brand new Brownings get unboxed with snap caps in them…?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Newbie to this said: Are Ruag Ammotec no longer importing them? https://www.ruag.co.uk/firearms/shotguns/bettinsoli/c32 RUAG were one of the worst companies I dealt with or tried to deal with when it came to spares or in fact anything if you weren't one of their " signed up " dealers . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Ab Posted December 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 An update, I fixed it. After speaking to Wabbitbosher I realised I might have misdiagnosed the problem. I had thrown in the towel and was putting the gun back together to take it to a gun smith when I noticed something I had not seen before. The regulator screws on the mainspring, with some fine adjustment I was able to get the hammer rebound just right so that the firing pins sit sub flush after the hammers drop. No more dragging firing pins. As for the ground down cocking dog I have no idea why that was done. No I just have to take it to the range for a test fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 Great . Glad it was a simple fix , those nut do come loose , some have crimped ends others have lock nuts , Just check that nothing has come off the ends and got wedged in the stock head . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Ab Posted December 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Gunman said: Great . Glad it was a simple fix , those nut do come loose , some have crimped ends others have lock nuts , Just check that nothing has come off the ends and got wedged in the stock head . Thanks for letting me know, I think these are supposed to be crimped but have come loose. I was surprised just how loose they were they just spin freely. I did think to myself I'll grab some green loctite at work and lock them in place once set. This way they won't wiggle loose without heat. It still seems strange that the gunsmith handed the gun back in this state, its so simple it almost seems deliberate. Perhaps he did set it and just forgot to crimp the end Only one way to confirm and that's to get it down to the range and put a few boxes of cartridges through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, 1Ab said: It still seems strange that the gunsmith handed the gun back in this state, A gunmaker once said to me, “gunmakers make guns....’gunsmiths’ ruin guns.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Ab Posted December 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2022 12 hours ago, London Best said: A gunmaker once said to me, “gunmakers make guns....’gunsmiths’ ruin guns.” You never know it might be the snap caps as they claimed. It just so happened that my snap caps came fitted with an angle grinder and a pair of pliers I recon those little rascals got out at night and cause some mischief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted December 8, 2022 Report Share Posted December 8, 2022 Sorry to say there are " gunsmiths" and those of us who know what we were doing . Cant agree with " gunmakers make guns -gunsmiths ruin them " as a gunmaker turned gunsmith myself . Country gunsmiths was the term used in Birmingham meaning bodgers who welded ploughs one day fixed guns another then dug the ditches . Then agian as I worked in the country for many years I found the term some what annoying doing work for both the Birmingham and London trades . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 8, 2022 Report Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Gunman said: Sorry to say there are " gunsmiths" and those of us who know what we were doing . Cant agree with " gunmakers make guns -gunsmiths ruin them " as a gunmaker turned gunsmith myself . Quite correct, Sir. That is why I put ‘gunsmiths’ in inverted commas. Most shooters seem to think gun dealers are gunsmiths. Edited December 8, 2022 by London Best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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