Newbie to this Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rem260 said: No one is asking for blind support of the police. However the police are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. Better to be damned by the vocal minority, than damned by the majority. The offended person should have been told where to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Try reading what is written. I said I suspect, whereas you read that I jumped to a conclusion. In respect of the different Police versions - Google it for yourself, it is easy enough. You may ask what my dealings were. It's none of your business. In either words you are still wrong Edited October 7, 2022 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Better to be damned by the vocal minority, than damned by the majority. The offended person should have been told where to go. I don't think that would hold up in court as a defence when sued for not having taken action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 Quote In either words you are still wrong. Any chance of you producing the full script of what went on? Sueing the Police for failure to take action. Well, there is a common occurrence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Rem260 said: I don't think that would hold up in court as a defence when sued for not having taken action. Not taking action on someone's hurt feelings, last time I checked hurting someone's feelings, (especially when using facts) is not against the law. Edited October 7, 2022 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gordon R said: 1)Any chance of you producing the full script of what went on? 2)Sueing the Police for failure to take action. Well, there is a common occurrence. 1)As I have repeatedly stated I am going from what she has posted herself. 2) That is why the police take a more posative action on these types of cases. Try reading this https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/public-statement-prosecuting-homophobic-biphobic-and-transphobic-hate-crime 6 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Not taking action on someone's hurt feelings, last time I checked hurting someone's feelings, (especially when using facts) is not against the law. https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/public-statement-prosecuting-homophobic-biphobic-and-transphobic-hate-crime Edited October 7, 2022 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rem260 said: https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/public-statement-prosecuting-homophobic-biphobic-and-transphobic-hate-crime Again, stating facts, cannot be a hate crime. It cannot be a crime full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rem260 said: https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/public-statement-prosecuting-homophobic-biphobic-and-transphobic-hate-crime This says it all with respect to the situation of inequality of response - no straight phobic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 Quote 1)As I have repeatedly stated I am going from what she has posted herself. You focus on what she said, rather than what the Police said. If you read both, you would be in a position to form a less biased opinion. P.S. - Not sure what "posative" is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 Just now, Newbie to this said: Again, stating facts, cannot be a hate crime. It cannot be a crime full stop. Do you know what the actual allegation was according to the victim. 4 minutes ago, Gordon R said: You focus on what she said, rather than what the Police said. If you read both, you would be in a position to form a less biased opinion. P.S. - Not sure what "posative" is. That is because I can only find her version. Genuinely I can not find a copy of the polices statement on what happend at the arrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rem260 said: Do you know what the actual allegation was according to the victim. I think you mean alleged victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I think you mean alleged victim. Nope I think you will find it's victim. Any incident/crime which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice towards a person because of their sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity by the victim or any other person.” Nice try. But I thought you of all people would have looked up the definition of victim in relation to hate crime. Before posting. Edited October 7, 2022 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Rem260 said: Do you know what the actual allegation was according to the victim. From what I have heard on the news, she tweeted that, a woman cannot have a penis. Which if I remember my Biology lesson correctly, is a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Newbie to this said: From what I have heard on the news, she tweeted that, a woman cannot have a penis. Which if I remember my Biology lesson correctly, is a fact. From what I have also read on the news. Green pointed to a tweet sent by Farrow on 4 October last year, and subsequently deleted, which read: “What she did to her own son is illegal. She mutilated him by having him castrated and rendered sterile while he was still a child.” Farrow also accused Green of child abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 Quote Nope I think you will find it's victim. Any incident/crime which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice towards a person because of their sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity by the victim or any other person.” Nice try. But I thought you of all people would have looked up the definition of victim in relation to hate crime. Before posting. Just so we are clear, you are saying that someone who makes an allegation, which is real, later withdrawn or made up is automatically a victim, as opposed to an alleged victim. Rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rem260 said: From what I have also read on the news. Green pointed to a tweet sent by Farrow on 4 October last year, and subsequently deleted, which read: “What she did to her own son is illegal. She mutilated him by having him castrated and rendered sterile while he was still a child.” Farrow also accused Green of child abuse. Sounds like a civil matter, not criminal. I wonder if the police investgated the child abuse allegation You missed the 'crime' where she also misgendered 'inset word', that was investigated, but when she reported death threats on the same thread, the police did sweet FA. So yes, the police should have told the offended person where to go. Civil law suit. Definitely NOT a police matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Just so we are clear, you are saying that someone who makes an allegation, which is real, later withdrawn or made up is automatically a victim, as opposed to an alleged victim. Rubbish. I thought you read this https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/public-statement-prosecuting-homophobic-biphobic-and-transphobic-hate-crime That is what lists the definition of a victim is in relation to hate crime. I did not write the legislation. Just because you and I disagree in this incident. Does not make it so. Edited October 7, 2022 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 Quote I thought you read this You need to understand what you read. The legislation assumes that the crime actually happened. If someone invents a hate crime, how can they be a victim? Until it is proven that a crime has been committed, a person remains an alleged victim. Please don't refer me to the cut and paste stuff you post. It only shows your limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gordon R said: You need to understand what you read. The legislation assumes that the crime actually happened. If someone invents a hate crime, how can they be a victim? Until it is proven that a crime has been committed, a person remains an alleged victim. Please don't refer me to the cut and paste stuff you post. It only shows your limitations. I do understand it you clearly don't. It does not have to be a crime for the informant to be a victim. Why do you think it states incident / crime. If it had to be a crime then it wouldn't have the word incident in it. There is no assumption in it. You are clearly showing your limitations on comprehension of what you are reading. Edited October 7, 2022 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 Quote I do understand it you clearly don't. It does not have to be a crime for the informant to be a victim. Why do you think it states incident / crime. If it had to be a crime then it wouldn't have the word incident in it. There is no assumption in it. You are clearly showing your limitations on comprehension of what you are reading. I give up. If the incident or crime never happened at all, how can there be a victim? There can't. This will be my last reply to your simplistic posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Gordon R said: I give up. If the incident or crime never happened at all, how can there be a victim? There can't. This will be my last reply to your simplistic posts. I will answer even if you will not reply. What never happened ? Have you changed the goalposts. Your inability to understand what the legislation says does not make it invalid.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 59 minutes ago, Rem260 said: I will answer even if you will not reply. What never happened ? Have you changed the goalposts. Your inability to understand what the legislation says does not make it invalid.!! Jesus christ man , what are you talking about ? OK , you have just said nasty things about me on the internet , I perceive this to be a hate crime , and as a VICTIM of crime, Im now going to call the police and have you arrested. How does that grab you ? Except , you didnt , I am ALLEGING you said it , the case (if it even exists) is UNPROVEN , so I am the ALLEGED victim. Do you get it now ? Th woman was never convicted, the case was unproven/dropped , there is NO VICTIM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 Rewulf - we rarely agree, although I admire the detailed way you fight your corner. I share your exasperation. It is basic stuff, which someone appears to be unable to grasp. It is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: I think you mean alleged victim. Oooh yeah, that gets a nod of approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 7, 2022 Report Share Posted October 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mungler said: Oooh yeah, that gets a nod of approval. Im still not having sex with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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