Slavery reparations

[old man]

Maybe any reparation claims should be aimed at the people who originally enabled the enslavement to start, namely the ones who provided land access and supported the enslavement at the start of the process?

[Penelope]

On 08/12/2023 at 16:49, Vince Green said:

They were snatching people (mostly women) and selling them into slavery from coastal villages in Cornwall as recently as the 1850s.

Not just Cornwall I have no doubt.

But my ancestors were no better off than slaves. They were agricultural workers when it was effectively slavery.

The African slaves in the Southern States of America and in the Caribbean had one big thing going for them. Somebody had paid a lot of money for them. They had a real value, that was incredibly important because a slave actually  cost a lot of money. They weren't going mistreat them or let them starve. The evidence from the Plantations in America and Caribbean bears this out. Slaves live "comparitively' well

Something that English, Scottish and Irish agriculture workers didn't have going for them. They could die along with their family and nobody cared

Yes, fully aware of the facts and the grift.

On 09/12/2023 at 17:40, old man said:

Maybe any reparation claims should be aimed at the people who originally enabled the enslavement to start, namely the ones who provided land access and supported the enslavement at the start of the process?

Shock horror, surely not the Africans that captured and sold them????

[old man]

1 hour ago, Penelope said:

Yes, fully aware of the facts and the grift.

Shock horror, surely not the Africans that captured and sold them????

Well, thinking on as sometimes one is able to, how otherwise could Jack tar have landed and trekked 50 miles across tribal land to collect said slaves and trekked them back to the boat without local help?

[Penelope]

40 minutes ago, old man said:

Well, thinking on as sometimes one is able to, how otherwise could Jack tar have landed and trekked 50 miles across tribal land to collect said slaves and trekked them back to the boat without local help?

Nope, pulled up on the coast and loaded up those for sale from their fellow Africans.

[amateur]

1 hour ago, old man said:

Well, thinking on as sometimes one is able to, how otherwise could Jack tar have landed and trekked 50 miles across tribal land to collect said slaves and trekked them back to the boat without local help?

On a point of historical fact, it was the jolly Jack Tars of the RN West African Squadron who suppressed the slave trade in the 19th century.

Previous British slavers were private venturers

[old man]

2 hours ago, amateur said:

On a point of historical fact, it was the jolly Jack Tars of the RN West African Squadron who suppressed the slave trade in the 19th century.

Previous British slavers were private venturers

Thank you for the historical fact.

It's amazing to me how enslavement is now a major feature of our version of democracy despite most having scripts about preventing modern slavery? 🤔

Edited December 11, 2023 by old man

[ditchman]

2 hours ago, amateur said:

On a point of historical fact, it was the jolly Jack Tars of the RN West African Squadron who suppressed the slave trade in the 19th century.

Previous British slavers were private venturers

my forbears ran a couple of barqs under the ownership of Ryan out of cork to west africa on slaves and spices.............if they want reparations they will have to bloody whistle

[TIGHTCHOKE]

11 minutes ago, ditchman said:

my forbears ran a couple of barqs under the ownership of Ryan out of cork to west africa on slaves and spices.............if they want reparations they will have to bloody whistle

Is this them?

[ditchman]

you have a ting for goldilocks  ?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

23 minutes ago, ditchman said:

you have a ting for goldilocks  ?

Not particularly, did your FOUR bears?

[Vince Green]

6 hours ago, Penelope said:

Yes, fully aware of the facts and the grift.

Shock horror, surely not the Africans that captured and sold them????

I've been to Bunce Island in the mouth of the Sierra Leone River. Its the place where the slaves were shipped out 

A lot of slaves were brought in to be sold by their own extended family. Clearing out the surplus kids 

[Vince Green]

4 hours ago, Penelope said:

Nope, pulled up on the coast and loaded up those for sale from their fellow Africans.

Yes Bunce Island was one such place. The origin of the word Bunce meaning profit.

It must be remembered that the British Slavers were only in the Business of transporting the slaves. They didn't capture them.

They bought them at bunce Island on the quayside. Sailed them across the Atlantic and sold them on the quayside again in places like South Carolina, Barbados, Jamaica. 

All done as quickly as possible.  Then they loaded up with sugar, spices, rum etc Sometimes hard woods to make the journey back to Britain 

[Penelope]

9 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Yes Bunce Island was one such place. The origin of the word Bunce meaning profit.

It must be remembered that the British Slavers were only in the Business of transporting the slaves. They didn't capture them.

They bought them at bunce Island on the quayside. Sailed them across the Atlantic and sold them on the quayside again in places like South Carolina, Barbados, Jamaica. 

All done as quickly as possible.  Then they loaded up with sugar, spices, rum etc Sometimes hard woods to make the journey back to Britain 

Yep, fully aware of the history behind it all.

Many years ago I watched a BBC (2?) documentary about three black americans tracing their roots. They were taken to West Africa where all of this was explained to them by the ancestors of the fellow Africans who captured and sold slaves. The three women would have not of it and were in total denial and so insistent that it was all down to the white man.

Funny enough, that documentary has never been shown again.

[Vince Green]

55 minutes ago, Penelope said:

Yep, fully aware of the history behind it all.

Many years ago I watched a BBC (2?) documentary about three black americans tracing their roots. They were taken to West Africa where all of this was explained to them by the ancestors of the fellow Africans who captured and sold slaves. The three women would have not of it and were in total denial and so insistent that it was all down to the white man.

Funny enough, that documentary has never been shown again.

It's a much more complicated subject than the narrative would have us believe. Not all the slave owners were white (or men)

 

[Penelope]

23 hours ago, Vince Green said:

It's a much more complicated subject than the narrative would have us believe. Not all the slave owners were white (or men)

 

Every flavour of slave and owner.