Red696 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 The clay ground I shoot at is a fibre only ground and I’ve been using Empire cartridge fibre carts thinking they are plastic free. I’ve cut up one of the carts ( to use as a weight in the buttstock ) and found that the fibre wad has a plastic film on one end and a 6mm thick plastic disc between the powder and fibre wad. How can this be classed as a ‘fibre’ cartridge? Or have I got this wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 If it has a plastic disc or "obturator" then IMHO no it is not a fibre wad. The shiny film on the end of the wad is neither here nor there. The obturator disc may be unwelcome. I'd ask the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 10 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: If it has a plastic disc or "obturator" then IMHO no it is not a fibre wad. The shiny film on the end of the wad is neither here nor there. The obturator disc may be unwelcome. I'd ask the ground. thanks for the reply, you’ve confirmed my thoughts. I’ll be checking with the ground before using anymore, luckily only 300 left so not too much lost if they say no. Won’t be using them on my rough shoot either just feels like littering.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 (edited) Try to cut the plastic 6mm disc and see if it has any fibres in it as some very highly compressed cards can be as hard as plastic , Empire are saying "claims its compostable HemiSEAL gas seal" I cannot find any details about this. Edited January 28 by Andy H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 Gamebore have similar (Quad seal) and again is compostable but only only in commercial composting heap. An industrially compostable (which meets the standard EN13432) plastic undergoes at least 90% biodegradation within 6 months in an industrial facility in the presence of oxygen, microorganisms and high temperatures (50– 60°C). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted January 28 Author Report Share Posted January 28 19 hours ago, Andy H said: Try to cut the plastic 6mm disc and see if it has any fibres in it as some very highly compressed cards can be as hard as plastic , Empire are saying "claims its compostable HemiSEAL gas seal" I cannot find any details about this. Definetly plastic. Empire’s claims are ridiculous, never going to decompose in the open, possibly in an industrial composter but not many of those knocking about on a shooting ground. I’m going to throw some in my ‘hot composter’ at the allotment and see how many years they last. Mentioned it to the guy who runs the rough shoot and he’s happy for me to finish them off as long as I don’t keep buying them to use on the shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 Yes degradable plastic in 6 months at 50-60c Where is that Death valley california. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliedog Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 I heard similar at the weekend from a commercial shoot, most fibre wad carts contain plastic disks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotmaker Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 On 28/01/2024 at 08:22, Stonepark said: Gamebore have similar (Quad seal) and again is compostable but only only in commercial composting heap. An industrially compostable (which meets the standard EN13432) plastic undergoes at least 90% biodegradation within 6 months in an industrial facility in the presence of oxygen, microorganisms and high temperatures (50– 60°C). Quad seals dont need composting, they are water soluble and dissapear fairly quickly outside. Seen quite a few in various stages of degrading where I pick up, they dont hang around for long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 I've got a couple of slabs of Fiocchi 28 gauge cart that I thought were fibre but it looks like they have some sort of plastic driving wad. I don't know if it is degradable or not and under what conditions. At present I'm hand loading full fibre 28s so the factories can hold in stock until I find out or go to clay grounds where they allow plastics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dixon332 Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 On 29/01/2024 at 10:57, shotmaker said: Quad seals dont need composting, they are water soluble and dissapear fairly quickly outside. Seen quite a few in various stages of degrading where I pick up, they dont hang around for long. we recently tested a few seals , gamebore lasted around 2 days before it turned into a gooey liquid mess and then disapeared , hull hydrowad is still there now from november , recently saw that they are now testing seaweed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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