single barrel Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 A friend has just got he’s firearms license and now needs to fit his own gun cabinet, the lives in a new build and all the walls are dot and dab plasterboard with thermalight blocks behind, is it possible to get a good fix to these block and what is the best product to use to achieve a pass from the firearms officer, ?? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 Chemfix some threaded rod to to the block wall and then use washers and nuts to secure from inside the cabinet. my FEO though hasn’t ever checked how secure the cabinet is to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1066 Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, single barrel said: A friend has just got he’s firearms license and now needs to fit his own gun cabinet, the lives in a new build and all the walls are dot and dab plasterboard with thermalight blocks behind, is it possible to get a good fix to these block and what is the best product to use to achieve a pass from the firearms officer, ?? Thanks in advance He will need to use an expanding bolt type which will expand just as well in thermalite as it would in a concrete block, just stay away from the edges as it will burst the block. Or he can use a resin anchor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NF-fuse Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 (edited) It's quite difficult in my opinion (been a builder over 15 years). They probably wouldn't know it's thermalite blocks from a visual inspection but it wouldn't really be in the spirit of the law. You might be able to get a decent fixing if you glue threaded rod in to the blocks. But you've still got a gap behind the boards. They would be to be cut back to the block imho. This stuff is okay for the price and you only need a normal caulk gun. The other thing I would say is that if you use something like stixall or CT1 in addition to the rods/bolts to actually glue the cabinet to the block with you would really struggle to get it off but the feo might not accept it. The problem with thermalite is that even if you get a decent fixing in reality a crow bar will actually damage the block if you try to lever anything. I guess it has to last 5 minutes. Edited February 18 by NF-fuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
single barrel Posted February 18 Author Report Share Posted February 18 Cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 I had mine inspected once and it was only held in by 1” screws 😂. They thought it was solid. To be honest it was on the day of moving in and i chemical fixed it the next day . moving on 20 years and I’ve chemical anchored my new 2 cabinets in and that stuff is amazing . Don’t use expansion bolts just use the resin anchor . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 20 minutes ago, team tractor said: I had mine inspected once and it was only held in by 1” screws 😂. They thought it was solid. To be honest it was on the day of moving in and i chemical fixed it the next day . moving on 20 years and I’ve chemical anchored my new 2 cabinets in and that stuff is amazing . Don’t use expansion bolts just use the resin anchor . I used a tube of Sikaflex 521 on mine, my cabinets staying stuck to the house, it aint going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
single barrel Posted February 19 Author Report Share Posted February 19 Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 don't use any expanding type fixings in thermalite use threaded rod and chemfix. how did he get his FAC with no security in place beforehand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1066 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 3 hours ago, single barrel said: Thanks guys Bet you wished you hadn’t asked now😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1066 Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 9 minutes ago, steve1066 said: Bet you wished you hadn’t asked now😂 Oh and by the way you can use expanding bolts, I use them at least once a week for securing metal purlins in roof spaces when fitting sprinkler tanks that can weight up to several tonnes when full. Most people think of expanding bolts as the old shield type but technology has moved on since those. We use Fisher Aircrete anchor FPX-I, not cheap but work first time every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 (edited) 12 hours ago, steve1066 said: Oh and by the way you can use expanding bolts, I use them at least once a week for securing metal purlins in roof spaces when fitting sprinkler tanks that can weight up to several tonnes when full. Most people think of expanding bolts as the old shield type but technology has moved on since those. We use Fisher Aircrete anchor FPX-I, not cheap but work first time every time. those anchors are specifically made for aerated concrete. the expanding anchors i was referring to are the sleeve/rawl wedge type that get supplied with new cabinets such as the Brattonsound range. Edited February 20 by Zoli 12 guage spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1066 Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 7 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said: those anchors are specifically made for aerated concrete. the expanding anchors i was referring to are the sleeve/rawl wedge type that get supplied with new cabinets such as the Brattonsound range. Totally agree any shield type expanding bolt may cause damage. But there are many types of expanding anchor that are not shield type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
single barrel Posted February 20 Author Report Share Posted February 20 21 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said: don't use any expanding type fixings in thermalite use threaded rod and chemfix. how did he get his FAC with no security in place beforehand? His gun was kept at his mates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Simple frame fixings (the plastic plug and long screw used to fit windows) have never caused me any issues in light blockwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
single barrel Posted February 28 Author Report Share Posted February 28 On 24/02/2024 at 08:51, Sako7mm said: Simple frame fixings (the plastic plug and long screw used to fit windows) have never caused me any issues in light blockwork. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 I had the exact same problem of Themalite blocks and a gun cabinet fixing requirement - went to a fastener specialist and was recommended to use Excalibur Screw-bolts: https://www.excaliburscrewbolts.com/ One drills a hole to the size of the shaft of the bolt and just screw the bolt in - it cuts it's own thread into the material. The FAO came to do the inspection and was amazed - couldn't rock or budge the cabinet at all - signed it off and went away with the above URL on a bit of paper. They are also used to mount TV wall brackets apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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