Webley and Scott 410

[Lloyd90]

Any have experience of a Webley and Scott 410? 
 

My nephew used a junior version today at a clay ground and shot well concerning he’s only 12. 

Compared to a Yildiz or Kofs they seemed pretty decent quality. 
 

Fixed choke and non ejectors mind. 
 

How much difference does a multi choke in a 410 even make? The barrels are so small does it even make any difference? 
 

My BIL is looking to buy one for him to use now so considering the W&S vs Yildiz etc. 

 

[steve_b_wales]

I can only comment on the Yildiz. I have a S/S one and it's of excellent quality and very well balanced. 

[Ultrastu]

The bolt action ws. Is a well built gun and tend to have a good choke and pattern well (mine certainly  did.) But they are slow and fiddly  to load  especially  for a single shot gun .

As for choke .no multi choke doesn't make a huge difference  .but an ou will be a better gun to hunt and clay with than the ws. 

[BobbyH]

I have a Webley and Scott .410 bolt action, on a few videos on YouTube shooting it. not sure if it’s the bolt action your after or the O/U junior?

1 minute ago, BobbyH said:

I have a Webley and Scott .410 bolt action, on a few videos on YouTube shooting it. not sure if it’s the bolt action your after or the O/U junior?

 

[Lloyd90]

56 minutes ago, Ultrastu said:

The bolt action ws. Is a well built gun and tend to have a good choke and pattern well (mine certainly  did.) But they are slow and fiddly  to load  especially  for a single shot gun .

As for choke .no multi choke doesn't make a huge difference  .but an ou will be a better gun to hunt and clay with than the ws. 

Sorry I should have said, it was a W&S OU. Single trigger, fixed choke, non ejector, with 3” chamber. 
 

Similar to this one (looks the exact model). 
 

https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/shotguns/webley-scott/over-under/410-gauge/410-junior-240223145627002

[Lloyd90]

Not bad for 12! 
 

 

[gmm243]

My 12 year old son shoots a Lanber o/u 12 bore. Has done for a few years.

If your nephew can manage a 20 or a 12 I would try him with one of those. 410's don't generally have great patterns and a smaller shot load so if you want to encourage him by hitting more targets, birds etc there are better options than a 410.

[Lloyd90]

11 minutes ago, gmm243 said:

My 12 year old son shoots a Lanber o/u 12 bore. Has done for a few years.

If your nephew can manage a 20 or a 12 I would try him with one of those. 410's don't generally have great patterns and a smaller shot load so if you want to encourage him by hitting more targets, birds etc there are better options than a 410.

I’d say it’s the stock length / gun weight more an issue than the recoil. 

[Ultrastu]

There are few clays at a ground that a .410 can't break .the side on going away 40 plus yds .the long looper at 45 +  yds . the small battues   high in the sky etc .every thing else sub 35 is fair game and if he is shooting in the right place will break the clay .I'd say for a 12 year old he is going to handle his .410 better than any 12b ..

 

[Fellside]

On 21/04/2024 at 17:31, Lloyd90 said:

Any have experience of a Webley and Scott 410? 
 

My nephew used a junior version today at a clay ground and shot well concerning he’s only 12. 

Compared to a Yildiz or Kofs they seemed pretty decent quality. 
 

Fixed choke and non ejectors mind. 
 

How much difference does a multi choke in a 410 even make? The barrels are so small does it even make any difference? 
 

My BIL is looking to buy one for him to use now so considering the W&S vs Yildiz etc. 

 

Hi Lloyd,

I have recently been through this journey with my two sons. I opted for the Yildiz SPZ ME and it has been great. The 410 is quite a choke sensitive calibre. You don’t need much to make a big difference. The main advantage with a multi choke is that you can use open chokes which are very user friendly for kids. I find that the chokes on these Turkish 410s (inc the current W & S) are quite severe and from half choke and above the patterns start to blow rather than constrict. Fixed 410 chokes are often tight with iffy patterns - just my experience. 

It is understandable that some people may consider the 410 too difficult for children to use - they were once! Not now though. When I was a nipper, I only had 9 or 11 grams of 6 shot through a full choke. Very tricky. Now there are dedicated clay cartridges and multi chokes - a game changer. The lightness of a 410 for youngsters is important too. Their arms and shoulders get tired with bigger guns. Even with a 410 it’s important to give them a rest (sweetie break) every 10 shots or so. 

Hope that gives you some food for thought. 

P.S The 410 is great fun for dads also! Nice for decoying with 3” cart’s.

[Lloyd90]

23 hours ago, Fellside said:

Hi Lloyd,

I have recently been through this journey with my two sons. I opted for the Yildiz SPZ ME and it has been great. The 410 is quite a choke sensitive calibre. You don’t need much to make a big difference. The main advantage with a multi choke is that you can use open chokes which are very user friendly for kids. I find that the chokes on these Turkish 410s (inc the current W & S) are quite severe and from half choke and above the patterns start to blow rather than constrict. Fixed 410 chokes are often tight with iffy patterns - just my experience. 

It is understandable that some people may consider the 410 too difficult for children to use - they were once! Not now though. When I was a nipper, I only had 9 or 11 grams of 6 shot through a full choke. Very tricky. Now there are dedicated clay cartridges and multi chokes - a game changer. The lightness of a 410 for youngsters is important too. Their arms and shoulders get tired with bigger guns. Even with a 410 it’s important to give them a rest (sweetie break) every 10 shots or so. 

Hope that gives you some food for thought. 

P.S The 410 is great fun for dads also! Nice for decoying with 3” cart’s.

The 410 was great for uncle Lloyd to shoot but far too short for me. 
 

I did hit one holding it from the hip mind!