Big_Sam Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 ...and anything else that can be made to look like a gun: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7180712.stm I don't see the point? If you want a gun (illegally) then you just go an buy one from the back of a transit in manchester. Seeing how easily illegal immegrants get into this country they are probably bringing makerovs with them and flogging them. Ms Smith needs to get a life, criminals are not phased by bans, they don't care, they are criminals!!!!!! Get cops out there on the streets, rather than in their little cars and perhaps we will see law and order restored. There are plenty of laws out there to be used, we dont need more **** that will affect only law abiding people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildoliver Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I don't really like replica/blank firing and deactivated guns to be honest, I don't see the point in them, I can see the attraction to a wall hanger, something like an old rifle/shotgun or a big old machinegun in the corner of the room, but pistols/revolvers, there's something sinister about the people in their bedrooms waving a fake gun around pretending to be dirty harry. But I'm not in favour of banning them. Once the ban culture starts (as it has) then it is a slippery slope as each pointless ban doesn't work obviously the solution is to introduce an even harder one. There is no point in banning illegal guns, i.e. converted blank firers etc. as they are already illegal, the solution is when you catch someone with an illegal firearm they go away for 20+ years. Make the existing laws work instead of introducing new ones. The other thing that really gets my goat is the thought that pellet guns/blank firers and deacs can be converted back to working order. They can't, not without massive amounts of work. And blank firers/pellet guns are deadly to the user if they are. It is far easier to make a gun from scratch. So is steel stock going to be banned next I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 ...and anything else that can be made to look like a gun: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7180712.stm I don't see the point? If you want a gun (illegally) then you just go an buy one from the back of a transit in manchester. Seeing how easily illegal immegrants get into this country they are probably bringing makerovs with them and flogging them. Ms Smith needs to get a life, criminals are not phased by bans, they don't care, they are criminals!!!!!! Get cops out there on the streets, rather than in their little cars and perhaps we will see law and order restored. There are plenty of laws out there to be used, we dont need more **** that will affect only law abiding people. ''Get cops out there on the streets, rather than in their little cars and perhaps we will see law and order restored'' Ok more bobbies walking the streets, mrs brown is having her house robbed on the other side of town, control room tell her to hang on i can run it in 20mins as i have had little car taken off me so i can walk the streets Mrs Brown - ''i was having my house robbed but the police didnt arrive quickly enough'' You are dammed either way - Go on foot patrol but only react in a efficient manner to incidents within 500 meters or have a car which allows you to cover vast ammounts of ground and respond quickly but we never see any police walking the beat. You cant please all of the people all of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Indeed, but having no one walking around means that they only get out when called out, and by not doing routine patrolling they dont get to know the people and keep and eye on things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Routine patrols are carried out by car as it is a much more effecient method of patrol and allows incidents responted to quickly, gone are the days of the local bobby, crime and the methos of it have changed in the last 5-10 years, bobbys patroling town centers in not uncommon but walking around a 10 square mile housing estate is a complete waste of time. The new PCSOs are now employed to maintain a visual presence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 this is utter bull ****, there is no danger posed by de activated guns, and if you convert them you are then guilty of a criminal offence under current legislation so I can't see why it would help at all. There are that many real un licensed guns out there that I'm surprised many people bother with the agro of re-activating them. Police need to look at how guns are getting into the country and going after the suppliers of the guns and amunition. as well as heavy penalties for carrying or using them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myuserid Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I take it they mean replica guns and not deactivated, I have a deactivated rifle hanging on the wall, so does that mean it will have to be destroyed, I dont think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrowningBoy Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 The proposal is related to deactivated guns that have been deactivated prior to 1995 when legislation was much simpler on this issue and to change a gun back to live was not difficult. I'm confused how it will help things, no one gets shot by a deactivated weapon, they get shot with live weapons and if some one is prepared to use lethal force to argue over who (figuratively speaking) spilt their pint then they'll use other weapons or buy "real" guns from some where. If people are prepared to engage in criminal acts then criminalising the tools they might use doesn't seem to be much of deterrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Blimey, I'm glad I sold mine now I used to have a K98 Mauser and a Serbian Zastava M72 machine gun with bipod Both old-style deactivation with all moving and working parts. The firing pins were missing and they had a bit of metal rod welded up the barrel, but I used to think it wouldn't take much to get them going again, if someone had the right tools for the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claypop Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Yet another misguided headline-grabbing useless policy which will do nothing to curb gun crime in inner cities but criminalize law-abiding relic collectors.....what next? - plastic blades to replace all knives? Perhaps they'll turn on the shooting fraternity who, like motorists, are an easy target for this tabloid targeting lame duck out of ideas government! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Perhaps they'll turn on the shooting fraternity just a matter of time. we will be all thats left for them to turn on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claypop Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Blimey, I'm glad I sold mine now I used to have a K98 Mauser and a Serbian Zastava M72 machine gun with bipod Both old-style deactivation with all moving and working parts. The firing pins were missing and they had a bit of metal rod welded up the barrel, but I used to think it wouldn't take much to get them going again, if someone had the right tools for the job I have heard it said (by a gunsmith no less & elsewhere) that it is as easy to build a gun from scratch than the work involved in most reactivations - I have an old spec CZ - it has a scored plugged barrel, no firing pin, block etc etc. You would need most of the original gun to reactivate - which is why they have a proof cert. Most of the street guns are from Eastern Europe which is a consiquence of our membership of the EEU but that's another story....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7180712.stm I take it they mean replica guns and not deactivated, I have a deactivated rifle hanging on the wall, so does that mean it will have to be destroyed, I dont think so. http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247758 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I have merged the two topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claypop Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7180712.stm I take it they mean replica guns and not deactivated, I have a deactivated rifle hanging on the wall, so does that mean it will have to be destroyed, I dont think so. http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247758 OK merged - dunno why??? Anyway, one of the BBC announcements stated: "The proposal to make deactivated guns illegal comes after a huge increase in the amount of model and pellet guns converted to fire live ammunition." So pellet guns are being converted but they ban deacts!! Am I missing something here.....I have NEVER heard of any BB gun converted to fire live rounds - they are made of monkey metal for gods sake!!! Edited January 10, 2008 by claypop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myuserid Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 My rifle was de-activated 15-20 years ago, so where do I stand here? What a stupid thing to do, how do they know who has de-activated guns anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I have merged the two topics. hate to say this but theres a third as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 bobbys patroling town centers in not uncommon but walking around a 10 square mile housing estate is a complete waste of time. try telling that to the old folk and disabled people who are being mugged and murdered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) The new PCSOs are now employed to maintain a visual presence And **** they are too !! there was a small disturbance in a block of flats in the town where i live, 4 of these plastic police officers were dispatched to deal with it and went off in a panda car and when they got there, they seen a couple of lads were fighting and they **** em selves, locked the car doors and drove back to the police station. This is true, as one of my mates sisters is a full serving officer and told us about it - apparentley these 4 blokes are the laughing stock of the Nick Edited January 10, 2008 by tulkyuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salisburykeeper Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 bobbys patroling town centers in not uncommon but walking around a 10 square mile housing estate is a complete waste of time. try telling that to the old folk and disabled people who are being mugged and murdered. its down to the lack of social networking between the police and the local people, if the police spent more time mixing with the local community they would have their finger on the pulse as to a lot of the smaller to medium crimes that are commited also better recognition of sinister individuals that move in from out of the area, you cant tell me that there arent enough police to do patrols on foot on these housing estates as well as patrols in the cars, i can understand that a shout over the radio and a responce by car is quicker but the local bobby element needs to be integrated a bit more into society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I have merged the two topics. hate to say this but theres a third as well Of course I never thought to go searching through a topic that mentions toilet roll. I have merged the two topics....again! Cheers Al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidibear Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 What a stupid thing to do, how do they know who has de-activated guns anyway? They are probably relying on the fact that anyone with an interest in firearms is a honest upstanding citizen and will declare it. Unlike the criminals and crooks with their illegal weapons who are the ones they should be targetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claypop Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 ...and anything else that can be made to look like a gun: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7180712.stm "the government's own figures show that, in 2005-06, there were only eight incidents where deactivated or reactivated weapons were used - just 0.04% of gun offences," SAY NO MORE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 How many miles of roads are in your local estate? An averagley fit person can walk at about 4 mph, take into account the added weight of body armour/belt kit.. would you walk around for 12hours?? The point im putting across is that bobbys walking round will have no effect on crime, yes moving the kids on from the shops but im sure the chances of bumping into mr x gaining entry into a house as you walk by is nothing. Unless you have been a police officer a majority of people witl agree by putting police on a housing estate will stop crime all together, those who are actually in the areana know different The PCSOs have no power of arrest or even detention aside from the right to make a citizens arrest. Having more police walking round will not deter gun crime, ask the poor woman police officer who walked into the middle of a bank robbery...oh no because she can no longer answer back!! “It’s not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred with the sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes up short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy cause and who, at best knows the triumph of high achievement and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Ruddy eck this is confusing! Started off on toilet roll, went to deacts, and ended on PCSO...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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