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[pin]

Look that's harsh to @james, I've had a few ales, no excuse though!

 

When you know **** it's hard to hold back, especially when people post nonsense!

 

You admit it's not your field and I have done that enough times on here, so sorry mate!

 

When it's your filed though, its hard to hold back

[J@mes]

no problem mate, i'd rather know from someone is telling me what i NEED to hear compared to what i WANT to hear!

 

[pin]

Yes, absolutely.

 

They can tell what you downloaded and when.

 

My concern is primarily other things on my pc, bank details etc can they access that too? and how do they know what you have downloaded? is it because you are 'sharing' it back out again?

 

In theory those are safe.

 

I say in theory as essentially you have said, by downloading limewire, "I trust you and do as you please with my computer"

 

I couldn't assert if you've been had, you might have been.

 

The major problem with people giving applications permission to do anything they like (and you have, you said YES) is that they can do ANYTHING they like.

 

Emule / donkey had a huge problem a few years ago when a bunch of people decided that hundreds of thousands of people would install that application without thinking - they produced a version which was extremely nasty and it's why installing the app these days sets off so many malware / spyware detectors.

 

Know this though, even if it's not an "enhanced" version, anyone else in the world can know what you are downloading, and what you have already downloaded.

[J@mes]

My other question on it is what is the likelyhood of these systems being implemented quickly and effectively? surely as one of the major internet uses, an ISP that starts banning downloaders first is going to lose a huge amount of customers as everyone flees to a safer ISP that is still allowing illgeal downloading?

[pin]

Major problem is this :-

 

ISP's see themselves an an enabler - they don't make people do anything and don't encourage anything.

 

The government realises there is no way to police this unless they involve the ISP.

 

Problem comes when the ISP doesn't see the need to police, record or otherwise hinder it's customers. Most don't, or if they do are not advanced in coming towards compliance.

 

Going back to P2P, the decision is already made, the ISP doesn't need to help the record companies they can help themselves.

 

Traffic filtering at the ISP level is a VERY hot potato and is being discussed at the highest level. One example of British human rights which seems fair - other countries have a remit to KEEP, on RECORD, ALL traffic from ALL customers, for 10 years.

 

We are a long way from that, but the days of the "Wild West" of the internet, are long gone.

[Teal]

Hi pin- interested to hear this. 'A friend of mine' might have been downloading some music from bittorrent. Is the risk you are talking about going to be from now on, or is there a historic risk too?

[jonno 357]

I used to do all the limewire and bearshare but you can apparently now get one dvd with every album that has been released that month with all the artwork included for about £5 B)

 

 

thousands of albums later

 

Jonno

[pin]

Teal, the record companies have managed the transition to "online" very badly, they needed to embrace it years ago and they'd have made a killing.

 

Instead they have chosen to prohibit, and as we know prohibition doesn't work. Acting like spoilt children they are spending vast sums on "policing" this. They have previously just gone after the "worst" offenders, but I am aware of people being harassed and prosecuted for having 30 songs shared.

 

Only going to get worse.

[Teal]

Thanks for that pin- will have to advise my friend to look into these newsgroups then!

[yorkshirelad]

limewire pro is what i use,, it is not illigal unless you sell music,,,,its allso good for dvds and pic

[mirokujames]

use bittorrent software,so much better than (peer to peer) stuff, not as many viruses either

[Gordon R]

Yorkshire Lad - I vaguely remember Limewire Pro being just like Limewire, except that they extracted money from you. My lad, who does computers for a living, told me they were both illegal.

[pin]

use bittorrent software,so much better than (peer to peer) stuff, not as many viruses either

 

um, torrents are peer to peer mate

[pin]

limewire pro is what i use,, it is not illigal unless you sell music,,,,its allso good for dvds and pic

 

um, yes it is illegal mate

[garyb]

Just to back Pin up... IT's ILLEGAL

 

But so is speeding, so up to you

[HIGH OCATANE HITMAN]

www.bittorrent.com then download it (it's like lime wire but better) then to get what u want (albums work best + can be done in 20mins) www.mininova.org search what u want bish bash bosh

[russuk]

American, but you get the idea.

 

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/r...jury-finds.html

 

Hardly a prolific file sharer.

[pin]

Yep russ, spot on.

 

It was back in Jan 2006 ( see http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/jan/27/newmedia.news) that the BPI gained precedent in this case, opening the door to many similar prosecutions.

 

Since this date the high court has gained the power to force ISP's to hand over the details of file sharers in order that they can be prosecuted. The internet has changed a lot, at one time it was like the wild west - now it's more like a police state but must people seem not to have noticed or don't understand the risks they are taking.

 

Especially at risk are those who have company paid for broadband or similar, get prosecuted and you'll probably end up getting sacked as well.

 

For what it's worth I am no do-gooder, as far as I am concerned I think the BPI and the record labels it represents have only got themselves to blame for being so short-sighted.

[ME]

um, yes it is illegal mate

 

Just to back Pin up... IT's ILLEGAL

 

 

Is it illegal then ?

[pin]

 

If you use such things couple of tips to reduce the chances of getting busted..

 

Only download a few songs at a time

Once you have them move them from where they download to and restart the p2p client

 

This will reduce your "footprint" and even if you are a massive downloader, if the files are left where they download to the client is sharing what you have to the whole world, leave a few dozen in there and you look like someone distributing music and you'll get nailed.

[The Great Cornholio]

Pin,

I've read you recent posts regarding music downloads with great interest. Thanks for all your advice so far.

Regarding your tip "Once you have them move them from where they download to and restart the p2p client" Surely this is what's commonly known as leeching. If everyone leeched, there would be no P2P.

 

If I have read everything correctly, it would appear that P2P was fun whilst it lasted but now is the time to start paying for our music.

 

Lastly, I would like to know you views on downloading older, not available to buy, music.

 

Thanks in advance. TGC

Edited March 2, 2008 by The Great Cornholio

[pin]

Your right about the leeching thing, it's not "in the spirit" of p2p - however its every man for himself out there.

 

Leave a few songs shared for a "reasonable" time and you are kind of doing what's expected, leave too many and you'll get nailed.

 

As to the stuff you can't buy, well in theory the same laws apply (as in there will be a copyright holder somewhere that might get annoyed) - there is the 50 year rule that applies to some older stuff whereby after that time the copyright expires (only for some kinds of thing) and you'd probably be unlucky to get done for it.

 

I missed one part out, the part about starting to pay for music, well I never said that I just said p2p is dangerous, have a look at my posts about newsgroups - used to be hard to fathom and get everything working (well, to a complete novice) but these days people index what's out there and make it easy to fetch and decode posts into the files you want.

 

The benefit of newsgroups are that you are not sharing what you download, the info is stored out there on a providers server (some ISP's give news server access with broadband accounts, they all used to but it's considered "old hat" now) - you can pay for a better service (longer retention of posted items etc) for a few pounds a month.

 

With news the providers hide behind the "we don't know what's posted, we just provide access" argument which has not yet been dealt with in any great way - since the provider won't hand out details to the copyright holder they'd have a job knowing what you were up to

Edited March 2, 2008 by pin

[paul65]

Out of interest, how many successful prosecutions have there been in the UK for 'illegal filesharing'?

 

It's not easy to prove. 'They' have to get your IP address legally, then get a court order to get your details from your ISP. Then when you get the scary letter from the solicitor demanding recompense on threat of legal action, you can deny it and argue that your wireless network may have been compromised as wireless networks are inherently insecure. And then if they drag you to court, it's a civil copywrite issue and not a criminal issue anyway.

[pin]

The perception is it's not easy to prove, your IP address isn't private, the ISP's will willingly hand over your details if asked to do so by an appropriate agent.

 

It is easy to prove imho

 

I hear what you are saying about a possible ignorance defence, however if you played that card you'd better be clever enough to make it look like that's what happened

[russuk]

• The British Phonographic Industry (BPI) has won a landmark legal victor against two British citizens who distributed music over the Internet using peer-to-peer file-sharing programs, it announced on Friday.
  
• The first wave of British prosecutions for illegally sharing music files have been settled out of court. The UK music industry has claimed victory after 23 people paid up £50,000 in total.
  
• Zuxxez, the German games software distributor, has hired lawyers to chase down about 500 British file sharers, launching the first in a series of swoops by computer forensic experts.
  
• http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/forums/index.cf...&forumid=16
  
• Britain passed legislation on Friday to implement the controversial European Copyright Directive. As well as giving new protections to DRM and anti-copying technologies, it creates an offence that could, at least in theory, be committed by using a P2P service like KaZaA.
  
• British music industry, P2P and suing the kids
  
• The British record industry is to begin a campaign using the instant messaging functions of peer-to-peer services to warn those swapping copyright-protected works that they are breaking UK copyright law and risk being penalised.
  
• The European music industry today announced a major crackdown against file-sharing, the practice of sharing copyrighted songs over the internet using networks like Kazaa, with the filing of 459 suits against file-swappers, 28 of whom are British.
  

Edited March 2, 2008 by russuk