.22mag Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Im sure this one has been thrashed out before many times, i was at my dealers today and they where recomending the .204 but after reading reviews on here im thinking more .223 now. The thing thats swaying me more towards the .204 is the old .17hmr vrs .22wmr views when the .17 came out eg lighter bullet with more power, but after reading on here im not so sure, all help would be appreicated? Ps im mostly shooting foxes and want something with a lot of range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 a lot of range howfar is a lot of range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.22mag Posted March 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 accurate to around 300 - 400yrds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 you'll be wanting a 22-250 for that kind of distance then, 223 is fine out to 250/300, but the 22-250 is better at the ranges you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 243? if not a 22-250 sounds better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.22mag Posted March 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 i didnt want to go for a 22-250 cause of the bullet price and the barrel wear and the 243 is out with me here in Northern Ireland, so it has to be .204 or .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 (edited) AR15 .2323 verry acurate or lowmillranges own import what a gun Edited March 11, 2008 by highseas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 so it has to be .204 or .223 Try getting a bit nearer then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Im in southern Ireland. We can not reload over here. So, when i had the .204 for 6 months, it was **** on factory ammo, sometimes accurate, most of the time bad. I changed to a .223 and never looked back. :blink: Now, since your in Northern Ireland, i would say, you would have to do with the .222. Some lads on here from the north, that have .222's, will fill you in, on the process ect of applying for one. All the best, Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegeta Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Just a general question but who make brass for the .222 and more importantly who makes good brass for the .222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) Just a general question but who make brass for the .222 and more importantly who makes good brass for the .222 Very few people, i believe sako make brass, but only in the form of factory ammo. Lapua have stopped making it recently. Other than this try norma (primer pockets often have debris in them) or fedual. But lapua is/was the best. (however .223 is a completely different situation) Edited March 12, 2008 by dunganick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.22mag Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Im in southern Ireland. We can not reload over here. So, when i had the .204 for 6 months, it was **** on factory ammo, sometimes accurate, most of the time bad. I changed to a .223 and never looked back. Now, since your in Northern Ireland, i would say, you would have to do with the .222. Some lads on here from the north, that have .222's, will fill you in, on the process ect of applying for one. All the best, Frank. Ive checked and i can get a .223 ok, or a 22.250 but would rather have stuck with either the 223 or 204. I was taken with the 204 round but now not to sure cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Ask 20 people which is the best caliber and you will get 20 different answers. I have a .204, 223 and ,243 for foxing. I do not reload. I have found the .204 to be highly accurate with 40gr remington's which is all I have tried and since getting the .204 the .223 has not been out of the cabinet. I think it's a smashing caliber and it's the first gun I go for in the cabinet. On really windy days I take the .243. However if I was starting out again and could only have one rifle it would be a 22.250. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 in terms of trajectory and wind drift, the 40 gr 204 traveling at 3900 fps will beat any of the 22 centerfires except possibly the big wildcats with heavy bullets. Also, the 40 gr 204 bullet will have more energy than a 223 with a 40 gr bullet since you can't drive a 40 gr .224" head to 3900 fps in a 223. That doesn't make it 'better' though. The 223 has the advantage in cost, availability, and choice if you are not reloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.22mag Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Thats what my dealer was saying to me about the 204, then i started to read comments and wasnt so sure about it. What make of .204 do you have? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Mine is a Howa with the stainless heavy barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.22mag Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I was thinking of going either the ruger route or else the remy, in stainless heavy barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Also, the 40 gr 204 bullet will have more energy than a 223 with a 40 gr bullet since you can't drive a 40 gr .224" head to 3900 fps in a 223. :o I got a .224 50 grn v-max going 3600fps in .223 ............Most fox shooting is carried out around 150 yds max .........300/400 yd shooting is in another league ...Forget the calibre ,what about the scope that enables you to take an opportunity ,not to mention the windage and other variables . 22/250 yes but .223 is the most versitile and supported calibre out there and I would have one over a 22/250 any day .....What about the .223 wssm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 deadive, Yes, but he asked for 300-400 yard ranges. At those ranges the 204 has better numbers. Zeroed at 100, the 204 (40 gr, 3900) will have 6" less drop and drift than a 223 (50 gr, 3600) at 400 yd. If you use holdover there is more room for error in both the amount of hold and the estimation of range. If you use clicks in the scope and a rangefinder it doesn't matter as much. For me, I have a 223 also. I don't shoot much over 300 yd, so a 223 is plenty. I know how my gun is sighted. For what I need, the 223 make more sense. The 223 WSSM is in the league of the swift. With the 55 gr v-max at 3800 you'll have almost the same numbers as the .204 40 gr, at 3900. The wssm will have a little more drop and drift, but you're in the inch here or there category and not 6 inches. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 That doesn't make it 'better' though. The 223 has the advantage in cost, availability, and choice if you are not reloading. Exactly.. :o I have gronagraphed the .204 as well, in reality, it does not go as what it says on the ammo box, more like, 3600 fps... Most of the rifles made in the .204, do not, shoot the 40gr factory ammo, well at all, the 32's are better, but, if not reloading, its at a cost, especially over here, where ammo is double the price... Id also say, it would be far cheaper to reload for the .223 and get it to hight volcity, then reloading for the .204... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.22mag Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Jeepers i have opened a can of worms, and still not sure which would suit me best! :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.22mag Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Ive now decided on a remi 700 vssf2 just have to work caliber out!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) I have a 243 for fox & deer...as for your choice on 223 or 204 ...204 fires a light bullet at considerable velocity with reloading this is in the reach of a 223, the 204 ammo is only really a 40gr or 32gr vmax...both these fired at the velocity of 3600fps are not going to penetrate any were near as much as a good solid 55gr 223 soft point but as you say if you want maximum downrange preformance 223 is the better one hands down...but honestly get the 22/250 if you can I was going to get one but was planning a dsc so got 243, I recon if you get a 204 for 300-400yrd work you will be utterly dissapointed Steve Edited March 18, 2008 by stevethevanman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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