pavman Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Ive, I must bung you a fiver for the sales pitch. Payman, I have a lovely 8x56 S&B 25mm you might be interested in. I have two of the most magnificent set of 30mm mounts (choice of Leopold or Nightforce if you don't mind using a spacer). you have PM Mung Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Ive,Payman, I have a lovely 8x56 S&B 25mm you might be interested in. I have two of the most magnificent set of 30mm mounts (choice of Leopold or Nightforce if you don't mind using a spacer). you have PM Mung You might need a bit of electrical tape round the scope to get it to fit nicley in those rings though Pav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I dealt with these guys: http://www.dnrsports.com/ and went for a Zeiss Conquest- although this was for a peashooting 17hmr. I certainly don't regret the purchase as it's a cracking scope. I have to say they [dnrsports] were a real pleasure to deal with, I wanted the conquest 3-9x50 mildot, they said ok $600 including shipping and insurance. It turned out they were out of stock but said $50 on top and you'll get the 3.5-10x50 conquest mildot - DEAL! They put it down as a cheeky digital camera and there was no duty to pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I was knocked back by a US supplier the other day, I placed an order for a Red Dot Scope and got an automated email reply that the order had been accepted. Later I got another email telling me they wouldn't be shipping as it was obviously leaving the country - the shipping address was Kentucky, but the credit card details were mine This is the crux of it: Unfortunately, at this time we are not allowed to ship this product outside of the United States due to U.S. Federal regulations. All of the following items listed below are also subject to this restriction: 1. Night Vision Equipment and Night Vision Accessories such as: Monoculars, Binoculars, Goggles, Weapon Sights, Cameras, and Multipurpose Systems of Generation 2, 3, 4, or 5 2. Thermal Imaging Equipment, Heat Seekers and Weapon Mounted Accessories 3. Optical Sighting Equipment, Accessories, and Mounting Hardware of any kind, including: Riflescopes, Holographic Sights, Reflex Sights, Red Dot Sights, Laser Sights, and Bore Sights. 4. Tactical Flashlights and other sorted accessories for the above listed equipment. Also, if an item is intended to be attached to or to be used with a weapon of any kind, we will not export and will not assist directly or indirectly with exporting it! Also, please note that we will not sell any of the aforementioned items to domestic customers who intend to export these restricted items out of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I just put a bushnell elite 5-15x50 on my .223 and it's good. Not as good as the 8x56 S&B I have on my 6.5x55, but still good! It works nicely in low light if you turn the mag down a bit to say 6 or 7, but can be wound up for longer daytime targets. If you want a really good bright scope, the S&B is one of the best I've ever looked through in the dark. The troube is the mag is a little low for varminting at range (where even 15 seems a little low but is usable!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Your confusing what your eye will accept with the concept known as the exit pupil of the scope, any bigger than 7mm is a waste of time as the mazimum size youe own pupil will ope to is around 7mm, hence why you have 6x42, 8x56 and 7x50(should be 49 really) as common specifications with fixed mag scopes as when you divide the objective lens size by the mag, you get the magic 7mm exit pupil. The amount of light coming through that 7mm image is still open to be good or bad depending on the quality of the glass but that is why you dont get "decent" scopes with spoecifications like 8x80 etc. I forget how many times I've tried telling him that. Mind you all this scientific? debate is irrelevant as he couldn't hit a barn if he were stood inside it! Find your target, sight up on it, squeeze the trigger, hit what you aimed at. And you don't need all the fancy variables, mildots etc etc to do that! Unless of course you're planning to enter for the Olympics and then read my second sentence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Forget 30mm tube and put the money saved buying 25mm into decent scope mounts .I still have 20/20 vision and can't see any difference between my 2 S/B's despite what S/B State . Just to reiterate, S&B have said, in writing, there is NO difference between the two - not the other way round. You'll just have to make allowances for us fick northern ******* up this end Stuart ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I am just glad to see you on here Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Just going of topic I have a vxIII leup 6 x 24 and when the mag is increased to 24 the light gathering is seriously reduced .......Is that the same with some of the quality HIGH mag europeon examples ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Just going of topic I have a vxIII leup 6 x 24 and when the mag is increased to 24 the light gathering is seriously reduced .......Is that the same with some of the quality HIGH mag europeon examples ? yep, it's true of all scopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 So it would make sense that if most of your shooting was under lamp conditions then fixed mag would be more suitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 So it would make sense that if most of your shooting was under lamp conditions then fixed mag would be more suitable No, it wouldn't. Sometimes 8x is too high for close in, lets say, foxes in rushes, you need less. 4x in that case would be ideal. Now how about that fox that hangs up beyond 200 yards, you''ll need more than 8x. Variable magnification is simply just more versatile, thus more useful as you never know what you're going to encounter on a night out, or lamping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 So it would make sense that if most of your shooting was under lamp conditions then fixed mag would be more suitable No, it wouldn't. Sometimes 8x is too high for close in, lets say, foxes in rushes, you need less. 4x in that case would be ideal. Now how about that fox that hangs up beyond 200 yards, you''ll need more than 8x. Variable magnification is simply just more versatile, thus more useful as you never know what you're going to encounter on a night out, or lamping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Ive, it is the ratio between the diameter of the object lens and the magnification. If you want maximum light gathering and high mag, you will have to go with a bigger objective lens like a 56mm, even then at 24x you are down 2.3. I am fairly sure 6 or 7 is the ideal. Decent glass will help, if the optics aren't up to snuff in the first place you are pee'ing in the wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Must admit would love a quality europeon variable and up to a few years ago I was dialing the mag in for England .Now though even with high mag I never seemed to use it and stuck to the 9x setting so I guess I shoot better on low magnification for the longer shots .I will admit that quarry identification is easier when zoomed in though . Not convinced ...........Fixed mag is the way forward for a foxing rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 So it would make sense that if most of your shooting was under lamp conditions then fixed mag would be more suitable No, it wouldn't. Sometimes 8x is too high for close in, lets say, foxes in rushes, you need less. 4x in that case would be ideal. Now how about that fox that hangs up beyond 200 yards, you''ll need more than 8x. Variable magnification is simply just more versatile, thus more useful as you never know what you're going to encounter on a night out, or lamping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Mods Can we have a I'M not with stupid icon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Mods Can we have a I'M not with stupid icon Not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 We'll learn ya yet Ive And book me one of those T shirts so I can deflect some attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannabefisher Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Ive, it is the ratio between the diameter of the object lens and the magnification.If you want maximum light gathering and high mag, you will have to go with a bigger objective lens like a 56mm, even then at 24x you are down 2.3. I am fairly sure 6 or 7 is the ideal. Decent glass will help, if the optics aren't up to snuff in the first place you are pee'ing in the wind. Apparently although 7mm is the theoretical maximum pupil dilation size, it never actually gets this big unless you are in a totally pitch black environment - obviously not very good for shooting in! According to the same source, the biggest the pupil goes under normal conditions is 5mm, so 7mm is a waste of time. I still have a 6x42 and a 56mm obj on my 22 though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 The scope has arrived from Mung and very nice it is too, happy with the deal so payment in the post today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 They are flippin top scopes. Glad you are pleased with it. Wait till you get it out under a lamp and you will see where the money went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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