Fisherman Mike Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Hi all, I have a problem. I have lost the top keys to my gun chest ( Brattonsound) and I know I need a Lock Smith to open it.. Has any one else suffered this and if so can they get it open without destroying the damn thing. If not I may as well avoid the £80 odd quid call out charge from AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA111111111111111111110000000000000000000 Locksmiths and get the diamond bladed angle grinder to it and buy a new one. any sensible advice appreciated. FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remytherussell Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 And you are always such a sensible chap. Oh dear. Silly question but have you contacted the supplier. It may be that they keep a record and can supply replacement keys. Otherwise looks like the grinder method for you!! Take care not to damage the contents. Be interesting to know how difficult it was to get in. RTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Mike I dont know if this helps, but I have a friend who is a master locksmith. Hes the one who sits in the back room watching the dodgy chaps on various tv programmes. Unfortunateley we are at opposite ends of the country, but he may be able to suggest someone best qualified to help rather than risk a rip off merchant. If you do decide to have a go, you may find that the shoot bolt is brass, this will probably clog up a diamond blade in the angle grinder. If you can see the bolt, it may be worth trying a 1" machine hacksaw blade, and run it up and down the gap between the door and case. It may be that the bolt has 2 or 3 hardened steel pins inserted to prevent you from hacksawing your way in. If thats the case a combination of hacksaw blade and diamond blade may do the trick. You can buy lock picks, but I cant remember where. You could of course find the key! did you not get 2 sets? webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 You could of course find the key! did you not get 2 sets? I did indeed and like a twit have never seperated them..... :*) :*) I shall turn the house upside down tonight before I decide which route to take. Will be a good excuse to tidy it up a bit also. Thanks, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Mike Some years ago I went through a phase of loosing things. I found that a tenner waved under my early teens son found virtually everything. It doesnt work now that hes 22, and earns more money than me. Just a thought, I wonder if the ****** was hiding my stuff to get his mitts on another tenner. Hm. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remytherussell Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Might be a good opportunity to remind all those with gun cabinets that t is a VERY GOOD IDEA to have their spare keys in a safe & remembered place. How many could lay their hands on them if the need arose. (Yes, I do know.) RTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Might be a good opportunity to remind all those with gun cabinets that t is a VERY GOOD IDEA to have their spare keys in a safe & remembered place.How many could lay their hands on them if the need arose. (Yes, I do know.) RTR Very Sound Advice Remy... I wonder if I dangled the bottom set infront of my Springers nose if he could sniff em out. Webbers tenner idea is a good one also, but I think I will start my 10 year old off with a fiver and be prepared to haggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROODLE Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 dear fisherman mike, As a manufacturer of Diamond saw blades i must warn you of the safety issues involed in cutting metal with a diamond blade!!!! DON'T DO IT!!! SORRY BUT ME CONSCIENCE WOULD NOT ALLOW ME NOT TO REPLY!!!!! if you do.. expect at the very least sparks and melting diamond segments.. and at the worse detachment of segments at speeds in excess of 14,000 rpm and temperaturesm of 300 deg c into soft tissue... nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deako Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 lol... paul hart knows a bit about diamond blades!...ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 dear fisherman mike, As a manufacturer of Diamond saw blades i must warn you of the safety issues involed in cutting metal with a diamond blade!!!! DON'T DO IT!!! SORRY BUT ME CONSCIENCE WOULD NOT ALLOW ME NOT TO REPLY!!!!! if you do.. expect at the very least sparks and melting diamond segments.. and at the worse detachment of segments at speeds in excess of 14,000 rpm and temperaturesm of 300 deg c into soft tissue... nice Point taken...Thanks mate. Should I use a normal carborundum type blade or get me acetylene torch out? FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highdowns hunter Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 This site may give you some tips http://home.howstuffworks.com/lock-picking.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROODLE Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Normal carborundums will be just fine (metal type of course!) go steady mate... remember if you miss it'll be either your trigger hand or your holding hand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbuild Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Mike, Pop into town tonight at about 11.30pm. From the congregation of youths swigging beer and smoking dope, pick the one who 'looks' the most sensible. Offer him a tenner to help you out. I bet he would be into your cabinet in a flash!!! Oh, better blindfold him so he doesn't know where you live. Once finished with, drop him back to town to commence drinking and smoking. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Nice one... and probably true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_GINNER Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Hi, You have a bit of a problem there :*) Brattonsound do not keep any records of lock numbers or patterns for obvious reasons. If you request a key, they will only sell a complete lock and two keys, but not much good if you are locked shut Using an angle grinder of any type will almost definately result in damage to the contents by flying hot sparks or by being covered in iron filings etc. You can not get to the shoot bolts without cutting through the shield flange on the door frame, thereby ********* the contents. As you know, a locksmith will probably cost more than a new cabinet which are relatively cheap. I feel that in your position, i would try just brute force. Start off with a large crow bar in the door jam and try to open the gap enough to get the locks to pop. Failing that, a club hammer and cold chisel. You dont say which style of cabinet you have, this method will probably only work on the ones with two standard mortice type locks. The ones with multiple round locking rods will give considerably more grief. I suppose you could always invite the firebrigade round for a 'training' session with their hydraulic door openers Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted October 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Thanks for all your useful suggestions lads the problem is solved. I tried the bribary method and my son found the keys along with several others, a credit card, about 7 quid in loose change and a half eaten packet of Rolos in my five year old girls handbag stuffed inside her dolls house. It cost me a fiver for each of them which is cheap. Rest assured that the keys have now been put away in a safe place, Thanks FM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbuild Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Well done Mike, Two different sets kept in two different places. You know it makes sense. Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammergun Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 If anyone gets into the situation again, you can make a hole in the case, hire an industrial sheet metal nibbler and then you will not damage the contents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the last engineer Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 F.M. make sure you lock up those keys safley now you've found them must be the most frustrating thing in the world,"have guns ,cant travel" "no keys" brings the issue of a combination lock into the fore ,but alas there's always the problem of ,,,,,,,,,,,,,what was i talking about :*) :*) glad you found them though mike . martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pike Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Thanks for the warning Mike. I have just fitted a new cabinet and decided that the safest place to keep the spare Keys was in the lock box. Have now tucked them away to somewhere much more sensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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