Peter De La Mare Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I had a great day with Carl. Starting on the pattern plate, and learning that my Browning GTS with teauge chokes isn't patterning that well with the RC1 and Eley First cartridges I'd brought along. Especially not with the more open chokes. I used 650 cartridges throughout the day! .....along with 750 clays He was able to analyse my 'technique' brilliantly and knew exactly what I was doing wrong before I did. He declared that I had an eye issue on fast right to left crossers/quartering, and suggested a few things that resulted in me not missing any for the rest of the day. We also fixed my life long inability to hit incomers Spent most of the time using 3/4 and full, my half choke couldn't hit anything past 40 yards consistantly. This made things quite interesting on the close in stuff during the muzzle placement and gun mounting excercises on various targets, it was a wise choice as it really helped imho. So it was definately worth the £225 (£150 tuition fee and £75 clays), and I'll do it again in the future as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) Sounds like a good way to spend a day How long did you get with him? Was it an all-dayer? I wouldn't mind a session like that, if I win the lottery Must have been a £400 day out, with your cartridges costed in, plus travel and eats etc I'd definitely like to do that, but not convinced I could justify the expense, with the kids going to school barefoot and eating bread and gruel, then coming home and going down the pit for the nightshift Edited May 13, 2008 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) Actually, it was more like £800 as I'm self employed and lost a days fees. ....and had to buy £20 worth of after sun cream, as I'm somewhat fried. The day is 10am til 4pm. It was 140 miles each way, so 280 miles which is 66% of my cars range on a full tank, which costs £72 to fill up. I had to get from Canary Wharf to the M40 which means that that whole of London is in the way. I thought leaving earlish I'd be able to nip through the very middle of London, rather than going the M25 route. I left at 0615 and within 60 seconds was in the middle of stopped traffice in the middle of the Limehouse Link. Thought that I should have gone M25, but gave it another chance, then when stuck along the Highway I doubled back and went M25. This was a mistake as it took me 1 hour 45 mins to get to the M40, I think I spent more time with my foot on the brakes than on the throttle. I was able to make up a lot of time on the M40 but still arrived late at around 1020. We shot until nearly 5pm, so I didn't loose any time. Carl was very understanding and very laid back, a perfect teacher. Also provided those Viennese Whirls, of which I ate the whole box washed down with tea. It's definately worthwhile, well it was for me. Edited May 13, 2008 by Peter De La Mare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Where does he do these days, Peter? That might not be much further for me than it was for you And I like Viennese Whirls Serious day out though Hope it improves your shooting long-term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Was this at West London Peter? I think those prices would look pretty good if you compared like for like with West Wycombe. I had a lesson, well more of a try out session, at West London years ago with Alan Rose - another top man and a great instructor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Was this at West London Peter? I think those prices would look pretty good if you compared like for like with West Wycombe. I had a lesson, well more of a try out session, at West London years ago with Alan Rose - another top man and a great instructor. I'm sure West London's not 140 miles from Canary Wharf - unless they moved it..?? Carl is a nice guy and a damn good shot, you won't find a better coach to teach people how to become winners. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 He has a shooting ground at the Long Marston airfield just outside Stratford-upon-Avon. It's right next to the Avon Park Dragstrip where I used to race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w i l l Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Been there, done that. Waste of money in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Troll Alert...!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Which one Cat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Been there, done that. Waste of money in my opinion. This one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 I gotcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Been there, done that. Waste of money in my opinion. So you still can't shoot for **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Or perhaps the troll is such an astonishingly good shot that even Carl Bloxham couldn't teach him anything new? Unlikely, me thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Watch this will boys . Got to be troll with a post like that . Is it walter returning . Harnser . Edited May 14, 2008 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Steady on ladies, let him elaborate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden22 Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) . Edited March 21, 2009 by Maiden22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w i l l Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Oh look, the old lets get paranoid new poster on a forum syndrome. He may do us harm, insult us, rape and pillage etc with his digital torment. Best beware. Anyway back to the real world. Sorry to be negative with the top class coaching, but i've known quite a few people go through Bloxham etc and to be honest I don't think its worth the money with regards to improving your technique past the age of 15. If you're loaded and you enjoy the day out then fair enough, but don't assume that by going to Bloxham etc that you'll start shooting like Bloxham etc. Its pretty hard to over-ride you're natural instinct and instinct and intuition is mostly what clay shooting should be about. There is no set way to shoot clays, every top shot has their own method and style and their style might not suit you... if you've been shooting for 15 years its pretty hard to change your style to suit that of Carl Bloxham and why should you? You could go for tuition with Digweed the next week and he'll teach you to shoot with a completely different method. Thats all just my opinion, but personally i'd rather watch and learn (go to CPSA shoots watch the Digweed video bla bla), get an automatic trap, shoot some clays and find your own style. By the way this isn't some Youtube-like rant, i'm speaking from experience. I can shoot, although i've been clay shooting about twice in the last 4 years, due to an injury... but several years ago I thought i'd give the top class coaching a go, but it made me shoot worse. I've known at least 3 other people that have been for coaching with Carl Bloxham, bought new Carbon Fibre guns etc all to improve their shooting but to no avail. Like I said I think successful clay shooting comes down to your own intuition, finding your own style (that suits you) and lots of practice. Anyway back to work. I only came on here to try and sell my gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w i l l Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Another thing that i'd like to add (tally ho!).... If you're set on the coaching thing try and find one that actually teaches you an intelligent method of shooting (like I was saying watch the Digweed video - he shoots pratically every clay with the same pull through technique). Don't go to coaches who just say 'right wait till it gets there, then pull the trigger 2 feet infront' etc. You need to figure out a consistent method whereby you can shoot any clay cos what happens when you come up against a clay that you haven't been coached on (which is inevitable as clay angles are infinite)... you wont know how to shoot it and what lead to give it. You could know how to shoot a particular crosser but then what happens when the angle changes slightly and you haven't got the coach there to tell you the lead etc. At least just try and learn a method to shoot all clays and then try and suit that to your natural style and ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 well your half right.(but carl IS a bloody good coach) most coaches dont try to get you to shoot the way they do. they will or should, get you to improve your own style and the way you shoot. they can offer a wealth of knowledge and experiance that not many can. doing is easier than reading it out of a book or video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Oh look, the old lets get paranoid new poster on a forum syndrome. He may do us harm, insult us, rape and pillage etc with his digital torment. Best beware. You're clearly used to that, then I don't understand why you're surprised at the reaction, when your introductory offering is a wild, sweeping, unsubstantiated and aggressive post. You then go on to tell us all how good you are and follow that with a load of condescending tripe about how we should all be progressing our shooting I can't imagine for a minute that Carl Bloxham teaches people in the ways that you suggest and if that's what people are coming away with, then I would suggest that they haven't been listening. Some of the so-called "coaches" at club level are very fond of just telling you when to pull the trigger, but that level of coaching is not what is being discussed here. I don't think anybody here would be dense enough to come away from a coaching session, change their gun and try and copy somebody else's style, and I certainly don't think that's what Carl Bloxham would suggest they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Will , Perhaps you shouldnt have come on here to just sell your gun .This is a shooting forum full of ultra keen pigeon and game shooters and vermin controllers . Generally we help each other out with sound advice . There a lots of novice guns on the forum and your type of post must be off putting for them .Yes ther is lots of banter and it is good fun and never malicious . If you want to join this forum ,not to just sell your gun ,and want to contribute particulary to the novice guns then i surgest that you change you attitude .If you are an experianced shot then i am sure that you have something to share with us all . Harnser . Edited May 14, 2008 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w i l l Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Chard... well done. Exceptional reply. I admire your forum lingo skills and imaginary knowledge of Carl Bloxham tuition. Anyway you'll be unhappy to hear that thats the last post from me on this forum. Laterz and happy shooting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken man Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Will , Perhaps you shouldnt have come on here to just sell your gun .This is a shooting forum full of ultra keen pigeon and game shooters and vermin controllers . Generally we help each other out with sound advice . There a lots of novice guns on the forum and your type of post must be off putting for them .Yes ther is lots of banter and it is good fun and never malicious . If you want to join this forum ,not to just sell your gun ,and want to contribute particulary to the novice guns then i surgest that you change you attitude .If you are an experianced shot then i am sure that you have something to share with us all . Harnser . YEAHHHH WILL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Interesting post Peter, glad you had a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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