Willow32 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 The main thing SACS offers me is the full coverage of field sports ..Lamping with dog or gun , ferreting, fishing ,lurcher racing and shooting , BASC is basically just for shooting . So if you do more than one of the above..........who do you go with ?? Regards Willow32 p.s Alot of lampers and coursing people donated and helped the Zander appeal. United we stand....divided we fall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 8 pages to discuss which association to join Surely you make your choice based on which one suits your needs most, and you pays your money - does it need to be any more complicated than that? I'm still undecided whether I go with two organisations that act for shooters interests or just the one. I have five days left before MY BASC membership expires and I make a decision. I have yet to hear from SACS as to if my enrolment form has been received or funds taken from my credit card. Nor have they replied to an email I sent asking if it was received. I have to say that I would not expect support from any of the associations if I were not a current member, so untill I hear BASC will get involved in a legal fight for any licensing issues that seem unfair I will probably join SACS and renew BASC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8landy Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Strange that since I have voiced a question on hear about SACS, my account on the SACS forum and my posts have been removed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I would say that all the public liability policies of the shooting organizations are much the same, covering all forms of shooting fishing, dog work, ferreting hawking. The BASC policy does not cover horse riding, but the CA policy does, not sure about SACS to be honest as they don’t publish a proper policy summary on their web sites. But you are quite correct that the main thrust of BASC work and our objectives center on shooting and to be honest like quarry shooting at that, although we do have a keen interest to getting as many of our members target shooting as well to improve their skill. Others have a boarder remit, such as the CA or SACS for example or in some cases or even more specific one such as the CPSA or NRA for example. You pay you money and make your choice, BASC is the largest in the shooting organization business, and has held that position for a long time, but BASC must not get complacent. Pride comes before a fall etc! There will always be room for improvement, of our service and membership package and as sure as God made little eggs we will not satisfy all the people all the time, no one will. Learn from mistakes try to get it right first time all the time that is what we will do, while keeping to our goal of maintaining our key objectives: Making sure that shooters have : A strong and unified voice for shooting All-party backing for shooting Balanced comment in the media Continuing opportunity to go shooting High standards I think as a shooting community there is so much diversity there will always be and should always be different organizations catering for different bits of the market, and we must remember that we are all on the same side! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Just thought that this may be of interest to anyone who may be undecided about BASC webber http://www.basc.org.uk/content/aboutbasc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Strange that since I have voiced a question on hear about SACS, my account on the SACS forum and my posts have been removed! Seriously? Now that is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8landy Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 YES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 :look: Can't believe they would try to censor you for just asking a question, or even voicing and oppinion! Must be some kind of keyboard / user interface problem at their end. D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Hey I just been over there and if you join the forum you get a discount on the membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8landy Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Well I have joined again (different user name). Lets see how long this last's? Not very helpfull when I am considering joing SACS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo57 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I really don't know what all the fighting is about. I believe in supporting evryone who supports my sport. I am a member of BASC, SGA and SACS as well as SANA. If I had to cut down on my shooting memberships I suppose I would drop SACS first as it duplicates some of the others. Then SGA and finally (but only if I stopped shooting) BASC. Some of you have been talking about services to non members. Twice in the past 2 years I have had friends who were having problems with the police (one Central Scotland Police and one Lothian and Borders Police) over their shotgun or firearms certificates. Neither were members of BASC (at the time) but I suggested to both that they contacted BASC about it. In both cases BASC sorted out the problems with the Police even though they were not members. When I saw Colin Sheddon at the Scone game fair in the summer I told him I was impressed by the service he gave to my non-member friends. His reply was that if any Scottish police force is being sticky over certificate renewals then he wants to get on the case as quickly as possible and sort them out. It might be a non-member this time but it could be a member next time. That makes sense to me. And of course both my friends then joined BASC so as well as sorting out the police Colin also recruited new members. Why can't we all work together instead of fighting amongst ourdelves. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Must be some kind of keyboard / user interface problem at their end. Could be a PEBKAC issue. :look: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I'm getting bored........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8landy Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Could be a PEBKAC issue. That is a no. I am bored to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I'm getting bored........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I'm also getting bored. Bored waiting for straight answers to straight questions. Few of my questions have been adequatley answered, despite polite and quite lengthly replys. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auto culto Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 I'm also getting bored. Bored waiting for straight answers to straight questions. Few of my questions have been adequatley answered, despite polite and quite lengthly replys. webber same here basc seem to be dodging like MP's. We need paxman top sort it out :look: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Can someone lock this topic........its going to end up doing more damage than good............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 (edited) :look: 16 posts, bored and suggesting a thread gets locked already, maybe time to put the telly on eh? Anyone thats bored with this - don't bother clicking it Edited October 26, 2008 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 (edited) Edited October 26, 2008 by Willow32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becassier Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 (edited) Quote " Hmm, police et al not listening to BASC in NI? I think you are making things up I am afraid , indeed I know you are, but I am not going to get into an argument on this issue, the fact s speak for themselves. Sound like a disgruntled ex committee member to me! If you really want a list of all the positive things that BASC has done and can prove it has done in NI with the police, government departments etc, you know Rogers (the BASC Director in NI) contact details don’t you so why don’t you give him a call, I am sure he would love to catch up with you." Now really David, this is not some child you are talking to, so please refrain from being condescending to me. You know all too well the confidence there is in BASC and Roger Pollen, you membership figures bear this out. Maybe he's a nice guy but the show ends there. Ronan Gorman was another point in case.......you really had your BASC Council handsfull there. Michael Mc Meekin before him....need I say more? Don't try anything on with me David. I know BASC inside out and the trouble you guys are having in the Province. Plain and simple fact BASC Northern Ireland is not effective, should concentrate on Opera singing, (PM me if you need this explained) as that seems to be their staff expertise here. Leave the runing of countrysports to those of us in Northern Ireland who know what they are talking about, who deal with the new Leglistlative Assembly on a daily basis, who advise the Police on firearms issues and have not come into the game five minutes ago and who do hold an FAC for a shotgun! You know exactly what I refer too. Making things up....David it is you who are either making things up or are ignorant as to the FACTS here in NI. I give you the benifit of the doubt and attribute the latter to you. After all you only have your NI Director's word on the real situation here. I am sure he would not jepordise his £34k a year (plus 4x4 and expenses) on such trivial matters. How it this whole situation must embarrass you all at Marford Mill. Like I say David, I didn't come into this game five minutes ago like some of your BASC colleagues! You suggest that I am a disgruntled Committee Member, yes that was me a decade ago but then, like Saul on the Road to Damascus, the scales fell from my eyes. Are the 2,000 odd members who also left BASC in NI also disgruntled committee members? I think not indeed. You are typical of BASC HQ....you really do not know what has and is still happening to your organisation. That tired old Emperor called BASC isn't wearing clothes.......but you guys are still not listening! Becassier Edited October 26, 2008 by becassier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 In my opinion this is just another attack on BASC based in part on your grievance going back 10 years by the looks of it but only now you decide to air it on this thread? If there is any substance to these accusations, then please write to the Chief Executive. We do take all formal complaints very seriously and they are always acted upon, that I promise you. I find it pretty poor show that you seem to be making claims about the efficiency of one of our ex Directors in NI Michael- who is dead as you well know and is not in a position to defend himself. Others may say I am brushing this under the carpet, no I am not, but this is getting a bit personal now and that is not good for anyone. If you have issues over our service or delivery of service then fine let me know via this forum if you wish, or PM or e-mail and I will investigate – I always have and I can honestly say I will always do my very best to be honest and true. But please do not target individuals in BASC (apart form me if you like) on this open forum, that is not fair and I am sure NOT what this forum was set up for. If the antis are reading this….. David I will not post agian on this thread. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Apologies Willow32, seems you had the right idea mate. Dunno what you edited out but thanks for reconsidering it anyway. Mods - I started the thread and don't have a problem if it's closed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo57 Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 (edited) Instead of arguing about which organisation is best, why not join them all. They all support our sport and they all deserve our support. If you live in Scotland, Join BASC, SGA and SACS. (in that order) If you live in England, joint BASC, NGO and CA. (in that order) My subscriptions to BASC, SGA and SACS add up to about the same as the cost of one pint of beer a week!! So what on earth is all the arguing about?? Jim Edited October 27, 2008 by Jimbo57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Instead of arguing about which organisation is best, why not join them all. They all support our sport and they all deserve our support. If you live in Scotland, Join BASC, SGA and SACS. (in that order) If you live in England, joint BASC, NGO and CA. (in that order) My subscriptions to BASC, SGA and SACS add up to about the same as the cost of one pint of beer a week!! So what on earth is all the arguing about?? Jim It's called a discussion. Granted, some are more "vociferous" than others and there is a danger of axe grinding - just look a few posts up. I think most people are clear and happy with which organisation they join. I'm happy to report that I've gone for your option number 1 with the exception of joining SACS. I may still do so, but I'm still not convinced it's anything more than a one man band and a few others in the sidelines. Besides, by all accounts it looks like SACS will be there for me if I get into any trouble anyway, so I may not need to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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