00taz11 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 (edited) im am applying for a shotgun certificate i have done the personal stuff but im not sure where im able to keep a shotgun cabinet as question 17 shows all replys welcome Edited November 2, 2008 by 00taz11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Have you got a walk in cupboard, pantry, loft? Just put it out of site, as long as it is bolted to a brick wall it will be sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00taz11 Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 i have a pantry but the loft i have to bring a sliding ladder down and how do i write it into the details where it will be kept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Has to be inside your house or an attached brick garage. Either of which must have adequate security on windows and doors (Five lever deadlock security on doors and the usual locks on any windows. The cabinet should also be out of site of anyone visiting your premises on a casual basis - Ie you don't want to advertise to the window cleaner (no suggestion intended) etc that you have firearms. Don't forget you can always put it in your loft space or celler if you are struglling for 'out of sight' positions. Also don't foget that the cabinet has to be secured to a suitable wall using special fixings (M10 Rawl type bolts which require 16mm holes). You can find out more about firearms/shotgun security on most police web pages - I can recommend Herts Police website it has all the info you need with links to home office regs etc. Faling that search google for home office and gun security. On a last note don't forget that as an absoulte last resort - most clay clubs will store shotguns for you if you are a member. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Quick answer for where it will be kept. You only have to put the address at which the shotguns will be kept..... They will come and check the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00taz11 Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 could anyeone give me an idea how to write where im going to keep the cabinet into the shotgun application eg question 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 On my application I put "The shotguns will be stored in a BS gun cabinet, in which the cabinet will be securly fixed to a solid brick wall within a cupboard out of view" You dont have to right a whole paragraph, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Provided its out of public and casual visitors view-it can go practically anywhere.Just make sure its firmly anchored to a brick wall using rawl bolts with no gaps behind (you'll need to chop out a section of skirting). I just put on question 17-Locked in cabinet to BS standard which will be suitably fixed to brick wall in spare bedroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 I take it you are in Scotland... What exactly does question 17 ask. I only ask because the info I gave you was based on the Herts (England) shotgun application - I take it the Scotish one asks for more than an address for where the shotgun's will be kept?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00taz11 Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 what does bs stand for and the question asks give details of the location at which the shotguns concerned are to be stored including details of any certificate holder sharing the storage facilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 You do not need to say where in your home it will be fixed. Wording such as " At home address in BS gun cabinet" will suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 what does bs stand for and the question asks give details of the location at which the shotguns concerned are to be stored including details of any certificate holder sharing the storage facilities BS (British Standard) If no one else is going to have access to your cabinet put you just need to put that no one else will have access to it other than yourself "The shotguns will be stored in a BS gun cabinet, in which the cabinet will be securely fixed to a solid brick wall within a cupboard out of view. No one else will have access to Cabinet" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 BS is 'british standard'. MAte really take a look on line at the Home Office Regs it will clear all of this up for you. From what you have said I would answer with the address at which you intend to keep the shotgun. (I distinctly remeber putting my home address and a local clay club which is where the latter question comes in). I am sure you can work it out by now from all the answers given. As a last reort why not phone your firearms licencing officer tomorrow and ask them - That way you can be certain you are not wasting your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJUK Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 -Locked in cabinet to BS standard which will be suitably fixed to brick wall in spare bedroom. Putting a cabinet in a spare bedroom (2nd floor), viewable from the window (from a house at the same level, 2nd floor) is that an okay place to put it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00taz11 Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 thanks boy im going to fill it in cheers but keep comments coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 I just put "In an approved gun cabinet, location to be decided with the FAO during his visit". There'd been some talk on here that they don't like them in attics as people might not bother putting them away but my FAO said he preferred it up there out of sight. We've only got a pull down ladder but it's not much hassle getting up and down. Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00taz11 Posted November 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 thats what my attics like with a pull down ladder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daser66 Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 when i went for my one i only put the address nothing else i even got my licence with out getting a cabinet because i had no intentions of getting a gun for a while when i got a cabinet i bolted it in the wardrobe then i phone the office and then the fao came round no probs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urikastu Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Putting a cabinet in a spare bedroom (2nd floor), viewable from the window (from a house at the same level, 2nd floor) is that an okay place to put it? not in my part of the country. It has to be bolted to a brickwall( one of your outer walls, which in a semi you have 3, a detatched you have 4) Also when I filled out my application, it had provision for a diagram of it's position in the house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJUK Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 not in my part of the country. It has to be bolted to a brickwall( one of your outer walls, which in a semi you have 3, a detatched you have 4)Also when I filled out my application, it had provision for a diagram of it's position in the house Thanks, I knew it had to be a brick wall, was not aware it should be an 'outer brick wall'. I waill ask the police chap when he comes for a chat, before I fit - probably best Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Thanks, I knew it had to be a brick wall, was not aware it should be an 'outer brick wall'. I waill ask the police chap when he comes for a chat, before I fit - probably best Thanks. The reason an outside wall is preferable is often internal walls are made from soft thermal block or nowadays they're just plasterboard which has no strength whatsoever.External walls are usually contructed with either concrete block or conventional brick-which rawlbolts can really lock into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJUK Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 The reason an outside wall is preferable is often internal walls are made from soft thermal block or nowadays they're just plasterboard which has no strength whatsoever.External walls are usually contructed with either concrete block or conventional brick-which rawlbolts can really lock into. Oh right, all my internal walls are solid brick not stud, I can see where you're coming from on the modern house designs though. Most of the walls are made of paper Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santlache Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 (edited) On my application I put "The shotguns will be stored in a BS gun cabinet, in which the cabinet will be securly fixed to a solid brick wall within a cupboard out of view" You dont have to right a whole paragraph, That's almost exactly what I wrote on mine. "Situated in a cupboard under the stairs in a corner and secured to brick wall." When the FA officer came and checked it out, he said it was perfect and an ideal place Cheers Edited November 3, 2008 by Santlache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 That's almost exactly what I wrote on mine. "Situated in a cupboard under the stairs in a corner and secured to brick wall." When the FA officer came and checked it out, he said it was perfect and an ideal place Cheers Well I got the FEO coming round at 2pm and I will see what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted November 3, 2008 Report Share Posted November 3, 2008 You only need to put your address, thats all... Had a discussion about gun safes last week at the clay ground one chap stated there was nothing in the home office guide lines that stated you must have a safe. Just that the guns must be kept safe and secure??? Never bothered to go and check his statement out.. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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