Flashman Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Not so, this topic is what caused some people to blow up the tube and buses in London, because they feel their voice is not being heard. The attrocities caused by these people are dwarfed by the crimes and murder being committed by Israel on the Palestinian people, yet we stand here and let Israel get away with it. This is why radical Islam exists. Israel gets 10 million dollars a DAY from the US, and this transposes itself into the latest military technology, which they use against the Palestinian people as they build more illegal settlements and steal more of their land. Hamas fire a few primitive rockets in self defence against this continued Israeli aggression yet you seem to be up in arms over it. What else are they supposed to do, allow Israel to steal all of their land and ethnically cleanse all their people as the world stands by and does nothing ? Israel is the aggressor. Good Lord, the hatred is just falling out of you. Now it's OK to blow up civvies in London? Does your carer know you're on the internet? Back to your padded cell for a nice chemically-induced sleep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Christ on a bike, All we need now is a photo of a rifle with the bolt closed and it will really kick off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 All we need now is a photo of a rifle with the bolt closed and it will really kick off Knock yourself out! http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...showtopic=26587 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonno243 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Yes, Radical Islam all stems from Israel and the illegal occupation of Palestinian land. Bin Laden told us so himself. It also stems from the double standards of the West. Saddam breaches three UN Security Council Resolutions and refuses to comply, then gets invaded for his sins. Israel at the last count are in breach of over 60 UN Security Council Resolutions, yet nothing whatsoever is done. It's the double standards and it's also the same with Iran. Except at least Iran have an open Nuclear programme and allow Inspectors to visit, unlike Israel's who haven't even admitted they have nuclear weapons, let alone allow inspectors to check them out. As for your racist tone on Islam, I'll let you deal with them yourself. Point 1: Radical Islam stems from the twisted and bitter understanding of the Qu'ran by some "scholars" serving their own needs, not by the (rightly or wrongly) founded state of Israel. I can point you in the direction of the Christian equivalent of these passages in the Bible if you wish? The fact that these passages are ambiguous does not make it right to use them as justification for murder. Point 2: UN resolutions are seperated into several categories. The simplified version is as follows. Both the UN General Assembly (GA) and the UN Security Council (SC) can pass resolutions. Each of these resolutions are issued under either Chapter 6 of the UN Charter or Chapter 7 of the UN Charter (for simplicity I will refer to these resolutions as CH6 or CH7). Are you following so far? CH6 resolutions are "advisory" resolutions (i.e. we would really like it if you stopped doing what you are doing because we don't think it is very fair / nice / sporting), CH7 resolutions are "mandatory" resolutions (i.e. If you don't stop what you are doing, we are going to come over there and sort you out). Saddam was in breach of dozens of UN SC and GA resolutions, however (importantly) he was clearly breaching three UN SC CH7 resolutions, that is enough to give a legal basis for invasion / war / sorting him out. Which we did. I will grant you that Israel is in breach of hundreds (and I do mean hundreds) of UN SC and GA resolutions. ALL of these are CH6, the 20 or so CH7 resolutions tabled were all vetoed by the US as a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Some of you will remember a previous thread where I argued that Israel were perhaps going too far. This was not through support for Hamas but purely because I like a good debate. This thread is not a good debate, more of a vent for various predjudices and diatribe / vitriol. Israel / Gaza is clearly an emotive subject (to put it lightly) and I fully agree that such discussions have NO place on a Shooting / Country Sports forum. Spread the Love guys and gals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 This thread is not a good debate, more of a vent for various predjudices and diatribe / vitriol. Israel / Gaza is clearly an emotive subject (to put it lightly) and I fully agree that such discussions have NO place on a Shooting / Country Sports forum. Spread the Love guys and gals. Poof. What's wrong with vitriol, hatred & mentalist religious ranting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santlache Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Oh well if bin laden said so thats ok then cos he is a stand up decent guy Mr hussain was doing a teeny bit more than breaching resolutions ya know,like gassing whole villages,murders by the thousand,etc etc If bin laden and saddam are your main witnesses...your ### Mr Hussain was gassing villages with arms and munitions supplied by the West. What short memories some of you have, at the time he was the good guy in our government's eyes and we supported him. The same with Bin Laden, who when fighting the Russians in Afghanistan recieived millions and millions of dollars in arms from the CIA. As for me supporting Mr Husaain and Bin Laden, please gentlemen, give me some credit and don't further insult my intelligence. However, unlike many of you I fully understand where these people are coming from due the the hypocrisy of our governments, particularly America, it's them we should blame for their rise and influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaBravo Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Dude... shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 The Arab League tabled a motion two years ago and stated that if Israel were to withdraw from the Occupied Territories to the 1967 borders, as they have been ordered by countless UN Resolutions, they would reign in groups like Hamas and Hizbollah. I doubt it. I suspect the support Palestine gets from some other Arab countries has more to do with a dislike of the Jews than with any sympathy for the Palestinian cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santlache Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 "Radical Islam stems from the twisted and bitter understanding of the Qu'ran by some "scholars" serving their own needs, not by the (rightly or wrongly) founded state of Israel. I can point you in the direction of the Christian equivalent of these passages in the Bible if you wish? The fact that these passages are ambiguous does not make it right to use them as justification for murder." And I can point you to many Christian Fundamentalists who hold equal distorted views of the Bible, and one only has to look across the water at the current and soon to be gone US President to see some of them. There are extremists in every religion. The fact also remains despite what you say, Israel is in breach of over 60 UN Resolutions, be they General Assembly or Security Council, yet we do nothing whatsoever to enforce them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Tell you what, as you care so much about the subject, why don't you go to Palestine and lend your to services to Hamas instead of spreading your views on a shooting forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santlache Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I doubt it. I suspect the support Palestine gets from some other Arab countries has more to do with a dislike of the Jews than with any sympathy for the Palestinian cause. I should have added, as part of this agreement they also said they would all recognise the State of Israel. It's Zionism they despise, not Jews. There are Orthodox Jewish Groups out there who are anti-Zionist and anti-Israel, and their interpretation of the Torah says that the Jews were expelled from Israel by God and that they shouldn't be there. These Jews are also on quite friendly terms with Iran and have visited the country, it's Zionism they hate, not Jews. That is why you nearly always hear these Arabs call them Zionists, not Jews. I'll find a link to their web site if you want, where I saw pictures of these Jews visiting Iran. There is also a sizable Jewish community in Iran who face no persecution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 I should have added, as part of this agreement they also said they would all recognise the State of Israel. It's Zionism they despise, not Jews. There are Orthodox Jewish Groups out there who are anti-Zionist and anti-Israel, and their interpretation of the Torah says that the Jews were expelled from Israel by God and that they shouldn't be there. These Jews are also on quite friendly terms with Iran and have visited the country, it's Zionism they hate, not Jews. That is why you nearly always hear these Arabs call them Zionists, not Jews. I'll find a link to their web site if you want, where I saw pictures of these Jews visiting Iran. There is also a sizable Jewish community in Iran who face no persecution. If you don't count this as anti-semitism, then I don't know what is. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M62QZ91XCFk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santlache Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Tell you what, as you care so much about the subject, why don't you go to Palestine and lend your to services to Hamas instead of spreading your views on a shooting forum? Because if you go through the archives you will find that I am a keen shooter and have contributed to many shooting posts. As I say, I originally called for an end to the slaughter on both sides, however, if I am attacked, as you seem to like doing, I will defend my views with intelligence and evidence to back my case without being nasty or vindictive - unlike many on here who would rather throw racist comments about and who likely know very little about Islam. I have visited many Islamic countries, and to be perfectly straight the people there I have met have been the friendliest and most hospitable I have ever met. They welcome you into their homes and offer you veerything they have, despite many not having a dime to rub together. Some of the great Mosques I have visited are buildings of outstanding beauty, which could rival any of our wonderful cathedrals. It's called tolerance and understanding, which it seems some on here have a great lack of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 And as I replied, as soon as the Palestinians stop sending over rockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Mr Hussain was gassing villages with arms and munitions supplied by the West. What short memories some of you have, at the time he was the good guy in our government's eyes and we supported him. The same with Bin Laden, who when fighting the Russians in Afghanistan recieived millions and millions of dollars in arms from the CIA. As for me supporting Mr Husaain and Bin Laden, please gentlemen, give me some credit and don't further insult my intelligence. However, unlike many of you I fully understand where these people are coming from due the the hypocrisy of our governments, particularly America, it's them we should blame for their rise and influence. OUR GOVERNMENTS ? in case you had not noticed america is not OUR government and i was not saying you were a supporter of BL & SH but you undoubtably are a supporter of their ideals.Your comments put you right in the catagory "RELIGIOUS FANATIC" Yes the governments all over the world are to blame,but at the end of the day they are not the ones strapping explosives to a 14 year old and telling him/her to walk towards that checkpoint.It is the believers and followers of a religion based on whatever they can twist it to mean. Hamas is the elected government of palestine,hamas lauched rockets at isreal.Why in your twisted little world is that not an act of war ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santlache Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 It's a stereotypical view of Jews and could well be classed as a racist cartoon. The Israelis have been digging up Palestine since 1948, in an attempt to find Jewish culture to prove that the land belongs to them. The Nazis did similar things and made up all sorts of ********. The Al-Aqsa Mosque is one of the holiest sites in Islam, yet Israel have been digging under it for evidence of Jewish culture and some say they have endangered it's foundations, rendering parts of it in danger of collapse. Is that a good thing - I don't think so, it a provocative act which is bound to incite tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santlache Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 And as I replied, as soon as the Palestinians stop sending over rockets. Weak argument which has been countered and adds nothing whatsoever to the discussion. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santlache Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 OUR GOVERNMENTS ? in case you had not noticed america is not OUR government and i was not saying you were a supporter of BL & SH but you undoubtably are a supporter of their ideals.Your comments put you right in the catagory "RELIGIOUS FANATIC" Yes the governments all over the world are to blame,but at the end of the day they are not the ones strapping explosives to a 14 year old and telling him/her to walk towards that checkpoint.It is the believers and followers of a religion based on whatever they can twist it to mean. Hamas is the elected government of palestine,hamas lauched rockets at isreal.Why in your twisted little world is that not an act of war ? Me a religious fanatic, well that's the first time I have ever been called that :lol: I have no religion whatsoever, but I am happy to embrace them all for the culture and richness they have all given to the world. Now if you'd like to discuss this properly without throwing insults, I will be happy to do so, but when you are rude and show your ignorance, bigotry and intolerance, then all you are doing is showing yourself up. Me a religious fanatic, that really is hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Me a religious fanatic, well that's the first time I have ever been called that :lol: I have no religion whatsoever, but I am happy to embrace them all for the culture and richness they have all given to the world. Now if you'd like to discuss this properly without throwing insults, I will be happy to do so, but when you are rude and show your ignorance, bigotry and intolerance, then all you are doing is showing yourself up. Me a religious fanatic, that really is hilarious Thats exactly what religious fanatics say . Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Good swerve,you managed to avoid the question like you have almost all the way through this thread by drivelling on about something else.Are you a politician? HOW IS IT NOT AN ACT OF WAR IF ONE GOVERNMENT DECIDES TO BOMB ANOTHER COUNTRY ? If you would like to read the post again and point out where i insulted you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 all this was done last week , lets change the subject before Alison jumps in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussman Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 It seems to me that you're posting a controversial subject that you know will get angry responses. Israel belongs to the Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Israel should just re take all palestinian land and remove any threats to them in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Thats exactly what religious fanatics say . Harnser . Agreed, especially Islamic fundamentalist fanatics. We'll all be "infidel dogs" if this goes on much longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 unlike many on here who would rather throw racist comments about and who likely know very little about Islam. If islam is such a peaceful reigion then why are muslims nearly always involved in some war/terror somewhere in the world. Whether its against Jews, Christians etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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