webby86 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Applying for a FAC need some advice please.I have been told the first rifle i should go for is a .22 LR to start with and latter i can go for more powerfull ones. I have a field that i go shooting with my shot gun and i dont know if it is big to use it for my .22 LR application. I dont know how big the field has to be minimum but this one is about half an acre wide or maybe a bit more and it is about 3 to5 acres long.At the end is another field which belongs to another farmer.No houses.Both sides is just fields.One side has three horses the other side is empty. I have asked a few people and some of them telling me the field is ok for the .22LR the others telling me not to bother i never will get the licence as the field is to small.What do u recon is the field ok or i need to find another place. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Applying for a FAC need some advice please.I have been told the first rifle i should go for is a .22 LR to start with and latter i can go for more powerfull ones.I have a field that i go shooting with my shot gun and i dont know if it is big to use it for my .22 LR application. I dont know how big the field has to be minimum but this one is about half an acre wide or maybe a bit more and it is about 3 to5 acres long.At the end is another field which belongs to another farmer.No houses.Both sides is just fields.One side has three horses the other side is empty. I have asked a few people and some of them telling me the field is ok for the .22LR the others telling me not to bother i never will get the licence as the field is to small.What do u recon is the field ok or i need to find another place. Cheers. What quarry are you going to be shooting in the field? Is the field flat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby86 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) Is only for rabbits mostly .The owner of the has a lot of chickens ducks geese ect so he wants me to shoot the foxes aswell but i think i need amore powerfull rifle than .22LR for foxes.The field is flat. Edited February 10, 2009 by webby86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 There are dozens of factors that contribute to whether you'd get .22lr passed on the field or not but the biggest 3 (imho) are; 1/ What is the terrain like i.e. is it flat as a pancake or does it undulate and have plenty of potential backstops? 2/ Is there a big enough problem with pests on the land to justify needing a rifle to control them? 3/ How your FEO is feeling on the day! :yp: If you haven't already put your application in ring the firearms dept of your plod HQ and ask their opinion. Good luck Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Don't fancy your chances if it's flat unless there's good backstops around the boundaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushat Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Impossible to tell from your description - best person to ask is your FEO, he's the only one who can give you a definitvie answer. It does sound unlikely you'd be granted a FAC for a single field which is only about 2.5 acres (approx 100m x 100m) unless there was a serious problem with rabbits etc (but I'm not clear on how wide or long it actually is as an acre is a measurement of area not length). Why not start with an air rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby86 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I was worried about that.The field is flat as a pancake and is not any potential backstops but the owner is loosing chickens all the times to foxes and minks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushat Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 You ain't got a hope of getting a calibre suitable for shooting foxes then (IMHO!). Get some traps for the mink - more effective than shooting them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby86 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I do have an air rifle weihrauch hw80.Can't get to close to rabbits with that one and not to good for foxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Can you not get permission for the surrounding fields? Why not use your shotgun for the foxes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby86 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) Can't not get permission for the surrounding fields.Is been used for game shooting and the gamekeeper is not very nice.I dont like to use shotgun for foxes just in case is not killed and gets away.I dont like animals sofering.What distance do u recon to shoot the fox with shotgun 20/30 yards Edited February 10, 2009 by webby86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I do have an air rifle weihrauch hw80.Can't get to close to rabbits with that one and not to good for foxes. Then its your field craft you need to have a word with mate. Have you not a pal who has air rifle experience and can help you out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby86 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I do have a friend who has air rifle experience but he only has a Harrier X 22 10 shot same power as mine hw80. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I do have a friend who has air rifle experience but he only has a Harrier X 22 10 shot same power as mine hw80. i dont mean in power, i mean who has a bit more experience in filed craft/cammo/hide building..ec.t..ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby86 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 He is worse than me mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 where are you? im sure there is sombody on here willing to lend a bit of time and info on stealth techs and cammo which would be of use to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby86 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I am in lincolnshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toombsy Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I'm in South Lincs. I might be able to help. PM me and we might be able to take it from there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilstoat Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) I do have an air rifle weihrauch hw80.Can't get to close to rabbits with that one and not to good for foxes. HW80 is an awesome tool, should be able to down them until dusk with one of them, like everyone says fieldcraft...it took me ages to learn how close to get, wind direction ect. me and a friend got used to it and in the summer, we have been chatting quite audiable, and smoking and they have been chasing each other about not having a clue we were there, the wind helps alot, oh and cammo clothing too. some days i have been out and not even got in range of them...alot depends on wind lighting, and ambience noise masking what you are doing, do you wear quiet clothes, ones that don't make a noise while moving? It took me ages to learn it but i still have days when i can't get that close practice makes perfect...you'll get it Edited February 10, 2009 by evilstoat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webby86 Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I do have all the cammo clothing ect.Sometimes i go and lay in the ditch and shoot from there with my HW80.I do get the rabbits but no many .I like the air rifle a lot but i want to get more powerfull one thats why i want to go for 22LR rifle or maybe (17hmr for foxes).I think i will call my FEO and find out what he recons about the field and will take it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I think you'd have more chance getting a HMR than a .22lr on that ground. If you were covered by my force you would anyway! All areas are different, it depends on the opinion of your FEO. Chances are you should get a rimfire almost anywhere, and if the ground isn't suitable for larger calibres my force will allow .22lr for fox too I'd apply for both and on the visit explain why. If they don't like what you're asking for then say you want which ever one they'd rather you had. If you put the ball in their court they will often help you out, they will be a lot more accepting of your requests if they think you value their opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I'm thinking a FAC air rifle would be more likely to be acceptable there. Gives you about another 10~20 yards over a legal power one that might be underpowered for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogfox Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Can't not get permission for the surrounding fields.Is been used for game shooting and the gamekeeper is not very nice.I dont like to use shotgun for foxes just in case is not killed and gets away.I dont like animals sofering.What distance do u recon to shoot the fox with shotgun 20/30 yards more chances of them getting away if shot at range with a .22 than if they were squeeked into say 35/45 yards and then shot with heavy 36gm BBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noluv6 Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 webby you are funny. buy a camo hide ant change your boot's and stop eating crips when hunting lol. no after shave too. I dont think you will get fac as I have similar situation and land is bigger the you describe your's to be. You got to hunt down big plot of land or blast em with the shotty 20/30 yard is fine with shotty,take your mate or be quick to let the 2nd shot off if he does try running. I think fac airgun like a rapid/super10/carear at 40+ ft/ibs is what you need. carear can go upto 80ft/ibs so basicly your 22lr power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 apply for a 17hmr (ricochets are less frequent than .22) and get a high seat put up somehwere so you are shooting into the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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