Peter De La Mare Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I'm on my 2nd Caesar Guerini and on both of them the stock has split. The split starts right under the lever where the action has that little 'indent' into the stock. It's split here on both the Guns I've had. It's it just me, or is this more common? I'm absolutely gutted, as I love these guns, and particularly the one I have at the moment. I'm hoping a good Gunsmith can repair it before it gets too bad. I don't think it's anything I'm doing. The Lanber and two Brownings I owned previously never suffered anything like this, and I'm not doing anything different. I can't help but think that the tiny little piece of the action that protrudes into the stock creates a weak spot that a lot of use tends to break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I've never had it happen on any O/U I have had. Have you had a large amount of cast applied to the stock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 My mate bought a new Grade 5 Browning last year, costing well over £2k before the price rises and the same thing happened. He finally got a new stock that didn't perfectly match the fore end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I've never had it happen on any O/U I have had. Have you had a large amount of cast applied to the stock? Nope, both are as they left the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I also store them barrel down, even though I don't leave any oil in the barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Take it back - this is the excuse you have been looking for to get that F3 now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
687EELL Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I've had similar problems with a Beretta 682 gold E and a 682 Gold E Ltd. The 1st straight out of the box. The 2nd a couple of weeks after ownership, a blister appeared in the side of the stock, which 'popped' leaving a split which sounded hollow when tapped. On closer inspection it was apparent the hole bored in the stock to connect it to the action was some what off centre and had been rebored correctly. A chap I know use to work for *** and told me the stockers at main gun makers throw nothing away lol. Sadly quality control seems to take a back seat nowadays!!! D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Essex Gun are going to sort it out for me. It's barely noticable, just a very faint line around 10mm long that is visible in the right light, but it'll get bigger in time. I'm switching to 21/24 gram carts until I get it back to them next Monday. I presume the smithy will just stick a screw through it from the inside or something, but I'm assured I'll not be able to see or feel anything other than how it left the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Peter, Once wood has split you cannot stop it. You can screw it or glue it. but unless you remove the reason why it is splitting it will always split. If this is the second one to go then there is obviously a design issue there somewhere. Personally I would not be happy with a repair, the gun should be either exchanged or at least restocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) I hear you. Reason I believe, from what I've read in America, is that the stupid bit of design where there's a tiny half circle indent in where the stock meets the action creates a weak spot, and if the stock bolt is done up too tight can put stress on this little indent and then cause a crack with lots of use. Guerini UK said the same to EG when the first one did the same I found out this morning. So, the plan is to repair the tiny (almost invisible) split, and modify/relieve the wood that sits in this indent a little so there's no pressure on it. I'll get a pic of it, that'll make a little more sense. I really don't want to swap this stock. Edited March 16, 2009 by Peter De La Mare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted March 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 First two are the side that has started to split. The last one is the other side, which will also be modified, but is actually showing very early signs of a potential split. This was before I cleaned it, before anyone makes any smart alec quips about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engraver Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 hello mate i had to make myself a member just to reply to this thread, i to have a maxum and after 200shots mine is doing the same bumping up but no splits like yours but im now worried that mine will split also!!! Therefore can you please tell me who is doing this relieving of the stock on your gun is it through guerini warranty or are you paying a private gunsmith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Picked up my gun from Essex Gun today. Good news is that the stock hadn't actually split/cracked as I'd feared, but wasn't far away from it. Their Smith re-headed the stock and now it's all lovely again. Pics tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 hello mate i had to make myself a member just to reply to this thread, i to have a maxum and after 200shots mine is doing the same bumping up but no splits like yours but im now worried that mine will split also!!! Therefore can you please tell me who is doing this relieving of the stock on your gun is it through guerini warranty or are you paying a private gunsmith? Sorry for the tardy response. I hadn't read your post until just now. It was done by Essex Gun, who I believe send it to Jim at Orset Gun. There was no cost to me. The stock needed to be 're-headed' (new term I learned today) where it meets the action. I'd take it back to the RFD who sold it to you and state your case. Let us know what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Peter - thanks for the update. I have had a fair number of guns, mainly Browning, but bought a 32" Trap Guerini recently. Handles far better than my XT Brownings, Miroku or Beretta 682E. I get on well with it - any losses are due to pilot error. I was getting a bit twitchy when reading your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 That's a lovely looking gun PDLM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 That's a lovely looking gun PDLM That's awfully nice of you to say so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) This is how it came back. There's no raised bit and no cracks. I'll keep an eye on it. Oh, and this is what happens if you go and see Ben Husthwaite !! It's completely full of nuts and bolts as well to balance it. Edited April 1, 2009 by Peter De La Mare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 See you should have bought an F3, they balance correctly to start with and if they don't they already have the weights in the stock to shift the balance. Oh, And I can't remember my stock splitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Lets not mention the Blaser action problems they had...... ....and the F3 PRo comes with barrel weights for.....balancing the gun..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I have not had a problem with my action, And the F3 Pro comes with barrel weights to prevent you having to fill the stock up with nuts and bolts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) Your didn't go rusty then? You were lucky. Can you see the rib posts poking through the bore? You must have a later one, as the early ones were quite problematic. Mung has had a couple of issues with his last year, there'll always be a few examples of problems in any marque. Essex Gun has a K80 in stock for only £4995 as there's quite an ugly repair right across the grip where the stock split. Are you saying that Krieghoffs are junk as well? Oh, the nuts and bolts are obviously temporary until the lead goes in at the Smiths'. Edited April 1, 2009 by Peter De La Mare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I Sellotape a can of baked beans to mine to balance the stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 (edited) It's getting a bit bitchy on here In the USA there is a balancing bit that fits in the Guerini stock,it would look a lot better than red tape as you would not see it. Edited April 1, 2009 by BlaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Thanks Blaser The tape is just a temporary measure on the day to change a few measurements and smooth the butt pad so it no longer snags. I can assure you that the finished item will be extremely tidy and purposeful, and definitely no tape! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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