utectok Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 had a lesson and the instructor swore by 21 gm carts they seem to work what do use all think? soft on the pocket and shoulder for the clay range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 I've tried a few (that I scrounged off Yellow Bear ) and I didn't notice any difference on close targets. For some reason, I wouldn't feel confident on long range shots, but that might just be me being silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 i bought a thou by mistake once. and as chard says ok on close targets but feel i missed a few long crossers cos of them, used them for skeet after that, perfect, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted March 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 interesting points guys the instructor reckoned they were good for up to 50yds seems quite a way but I guess a 28 bore must me the same load? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 thats a fair way out for 21grames, i cant see them having the striking power at that range, and think of the holes in the patten, i wouldnt like to be taking the shot, maybe with full and extra full chokes but then it comes down to the shooter putting the shot in the right place at the right time, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 I tried Express and Hull and preferred the Hull version, but found that they patterned tightly at close range, due to being very little shot deformation due to the short shot column. If any one suffers from recoil they are ideal and the performance at long range is good. I would recommend Hull 21gms to anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted March 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 I guess a 28 bore puts out a tighter patern of 20 gm lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 (edited) No, all shotgun bore sizes pattern is the same diameter, it's just that you have less pellets in the smaller sizes simply due to being less pellets available. Edited March 28, 2009 by BlaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambu13 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 i was a big fan of them when i tried them but they dont knock my winchester onto the second trigger so no can do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 i was a big fan of them when i tried them but they dont knock my winchester onto the second trigger so no can do! They cycle my beretta 302 ok.... shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambu13 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 they worked some of the time but then i'l get the odd one that doesnt do the job, very annoying when the second clay comes on report! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 If the pattern of any shotgun is the same how come people shoot 28 bore at long targets? surly they dont carry enough lead (led) if a 21 gm 12 bore cart is no good at 50yrds? Im confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I reckon hulls are good, I hit plenty off the high tower a braintree/fennes with 9 shot! but 7.5's would be better. I think you've got to be more precise with them as you have when using smaller bores. Cheaper as well. Haggis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) If you try long shots with any weight of cartridge you will run out of pellets in a killing pattern before the pellets run out of energy. Have a look at Hulls own website,it shows the energy of pellets at different ranges. http://www.hullcartridge.co.uk/products/co...ition/compx.cfm Edited March 29, 2009 by BlaserF3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I think with a lighter load you get a shorter shot string so placment is a wee bit tricker as haggis said perhaps not the highest scoreing cart but could sharpen up yr practise up to 40 teds or so. I might get some as my 14 yr old daughter wants a go and I've only got a 12 bore so a light cart would be good for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 not sure about shotstring now according to the link blaser sent it has very little effect at all and n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 The shot string is caused by deformed pellets which are no longer round. The 21gm load has a very short column length so less pellets are crushed or abraded on the barrel wall,this is why patterns tend to be tighter. For clays up to 30 yards cylinder choke is sufficient half choke will kill any other clay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinxy72 Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) ive found hull comp-x 21's to be much better than the 28's ... hull have used a couple of different manufacs. to make their 28's and thats why they have a red one and a black one..... each made by a differet manufac. not themselves... this is why there can be varible prices on hull carts they are coming from europe and depends how the pound is doing ... however the 21's seem to be more stable and ,in my opinion, great cart for the money .... ive hit everything at west kent and dartford with them ( though i do miss some due to me ) .. the eley 21's are just as good too :blink: Edited March 29, 2009 by jinxy72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Jinxy which is cheaper or better do you think eley or hull 21gms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinxy72 Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Jinxy which is cheaper or better do you think eley or hull 21gms? i wouldnt say much in it m8 ... as far as price it depends on ur dealer which is the cheapest as prices flutt. quite a lot on the hull. which is best ? well i like the hulls and have shot 1000's of these and still like them alot. I aint really shot that many of the eleys as i struggle to find them local to me but the couple of hundred i have shot i liked and found no difference between them and the hull's just personal pref. as which u prefer yourself really ..... id be happy shooting either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I was loading 21 grams in 12 gauge as far back as 1962 to save cash! Shot my first partridge with one; dead as a doornail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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