dannyy Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I currently have a fixed choke gun (beretta 686 Silver Pigeon) which I have never felt the urge to change the choking on ( 1/4 & 1/2..I think!) I am thinking of buying a new gun (Beretta Silver Pigeon III) but they all seem to be multi choke, the thing putting me off multi is the extra cleaning as I am sure I will hardly ever change them... Gun is used for sporting clays, game, and occasionally DTL Any comments or advice appreciated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I voted fixed cos although strictly its multi-my Escort has IC choke permanetly in it whether i do clays,rough or decoying and the Lanber is just fixed at 1/2 & 3/4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Even though all my guns are mutli choke, I never schage from the most open ones. The rest of my chokes are still in as new condition. Even when trap shooting (very rare) I would far better have a split clay then a miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I voted multi, but I can see why people would choose fixed. It's just one less thng to think about. However... Multi-chokes give you just that little bit of extra flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaikalsRule90 Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) out of the choice i would have a fixed choke, but thats just me.... fixed choke barrels are designed to be (for example) a quarter choke all the way down the barrel in one smooth taper whereas multichoke barrels are tapered slightly and then a massive slant at the end to cater for your desired choke. i dont know facts and figures but i think a fixed choke barrel will throw a more consistent pattern more of the time as that choke is what the barrel was designed for. PLEASE!!! correct me if im wrong. also i like game guns more so there is a better reason Edited March 29, 2009 by BaikalsRule90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 out of the choice i would have a fixed choke, but thats just me.... fixed choke barrels are designed to be (for example) a quarter choke all the way down the barrel in one smooth taper whereas multichoke barrels are tapered slightly and then a massive slant at the end to cater for your desired choke. i dont know facts and figures but i think a fixed choke barrel will throw a more consistent pattern more of the time as that choke is what the barrel was designed for. PLEASE!!! correct me if im wrong. also i like game guns more so there is a better reason Thats not strictly correct as it is the shape and constriction of the choke that dictates the pattern NOT the barrel prior it. Most modern competetion guns are backbored to reduce friction and felt recoil so it matters not wether its M/C or fixed it still has to taper back down toward the choke. The only barrels that are not tapered in some way are slug barrels that are the same diameter from the forcing cone to the muzzel. I very rarely shoot clays (practice only really) but would only buy a M/C as they are more vesatile. ie wont use the same chokes for duck as for pheasent partridge or pigeon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 i would agree that fixed chokes throw better patterns too.my guns are all m/chokes but i never mess around with chokes.if i found a nice fixed choke gun i would buy it wihout hesitation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 All my guns are M/C, I have use fixed but wouldn’t consider buying one, most barrels bores design are the same and personally fixed or M/C there is little or no difference in pattern, as said before with a M/C you can set your gun the way you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyy Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 All my guns are M/C, I have use fixed but wouldn’t consider buying one, most barrels bores design are the same and personally fixed or M/C there is little or no difference in pattern, as said before with a M/C you can set your gun the way you want it. Fair comment..but what difference can you actually notice? and how do you know that changing the chokes made a difference? If I were to swap your chokes..and give you your gun to fire...could you tell me which chokes you were using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 if i was shooting clays and you put 1/4 choke in one barrel and 3/4 in the other, yes, i could tell. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyy Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 if i was shooting clays and you put 1/4 choke in one barrel and 3/4 in the other, yes, i could tell. :blink: Ok, do you mean you could tell the barrels were choked differently..or you could actually say..bottom barrel 1/4 choke..top 3/4? if it were 1/4 and 1/2 would the same apply? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa taf Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 if i was shooting clays and you put 1/4 choke in one barrel and 3/4 in the other, yes, i could tell. :blink: I think he means he would miss more clays that he would with open chokes.!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyy Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I think he means he would miss more clays that he would with open chokes.!!! Ahh..ok!....so can anyone with multi actually tell which chokes they are using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa taf Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Ahh..ok!....so can anyone with multi actually tell which chokes they are using? He can juging by the results he get,s.!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I don't think Mc counts for much but a tighter choke is better for DTL I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhorse Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Fair comment..but what difference can you actually notice? and how do you know that changing the chokes made a difference?If I were to swap your chokes..and give you your gun to fire...could you tell me which chokes you were using? I take it you have never used a M/C gun, I use 3/4 and full and would know as soon as I take the first shot, infact I have just bougt a new gun the day I took it out and fired it I new it was wrong took the choke out fron the bottom barrel and sure enough it had a 1/4 in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) Fair comment..but what difference can you actually notice? and how do you know that changing the chokes made a difference?If I were to swap your chokes..and give you your gun to fire...could you tell me which chokes you were using? From that question then I can summise that you have never 'patterned' your guns? I rarely shoot clay targets these days except for practice, although I can tell which choke I'm using on live prey by how they are falling. One of the 1st things you should do when you get a shotgun is pattern it so that you know exactly what kind of pattern it throws and where. To not do it, would be like buying an air-rifle from a shop and never checking the sight system for accuracy. As an aside, when I do go to pop clays my prefered round is Skeet. I put skeet chokes in for that discipline as its essentially a game. When shooting live quarry I use tighter chokes (depending on what it is I intend to shoot) to keep the shot string as tight as required, as I either want to kill or miss NOT wound. Edited March 30, 2009 by The Burpster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) bit late but. yes i could tell after a few shots which choke was in which barrel. not saying i could identify what exact choke it was but i could prob say which was the tighter. this does take a lot of practice over years. in my opinion there is to much choke swapping at shoots that is not needed and only creates more confusion for you. you say you shoot skeet chokes for skeet, why?? at 6yds(which some skeet birds are taken) how much bigger pattern do you get?? 1/2inch. as you improve it becomes more important to know 'where' you are hitting the clay, rather than it just breaking in half.if im on a serious clay shoot and a clay gets hit by only a couple of pellets and breaks in a few bits i start to think that where i shot was not quite right. by using a tighter choke i could have missed yes but that would have made me think again anyway. then again i could have blown the front or back edge off, that would tell me where i was and adjust the lead to suit. a lot of top shooters use tight chokes for this reason only knowing that it will kill at all distances and if they miss alter something. how many novice shooters do you see keep missing the same target in the same place, time after time. my advice. if you miss, alter your sight picture or you will miss again. first you have to be able to shoot your gun. Edited March 30, 2009 by beretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 you say you shoot skeet chokes for skeet, why?? at 6yds(which some skeet birds are taken) how much bigger pattern do you get?? 1/2inch. " As an aside, when I do go to pop clays my prefered round is Skeet. I put skeet chokes in for that discipline as its essentially a game." I shoot skeet because it makes me swing properly, especially when I have been using rifles a lot...... I do not take it seriously but I do like to break as many as I can...... (and that is normally in excess of 19 without practice - ave. well over 20 after a few rounds ). I also use 9-1/2 shot when I'm shooting skeet is there something wrong with that as well? I suppose you'll be telling me next that because I have round with both my O/U and a few more with my Semi, that I'm not taking it seriously...... Certainly the coaches that I have had help me have told me that if you try to analyse your shots and work why you've gone wrong, you're thinking too much and that will lead to more misses. You stick with your tighter chokes and enjoy your competitions, I'll stick with my skeet chokes and 9-1/2 shot for my practice thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyy Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 From that question then I can summise that you have never 'patterned' your guns? Wrong, I have patteren tested my gun, but as it Fixed choke I cant change the choke to see the difference. I think I have had enough decent replys now to work out, that to me multi chokes will make verry little difference, other than increace my cleaning time slightly...thanks for all the replys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest topshot_2k Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 I prefer multis only for the reason that i can use skeet chokes when im using steel shot out wildfowling then pop my usual 1/4 and 3/4 in for everything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Certainly the coaches that I have had help me have told me that if you try to analyse your shots and work why you've gone wrong, you're thinking too much and that will lead to more misses. i would seriously look at getting a new coach if thats what they tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 i would seriously look at getting a new coach if thats what they tell you. Why? I have no desire to be a class A clay shot. I havent the time, motivation or money required to do it, if I am happy with the advice and coaching given to me and it gets results does it matter when I am not chasing every single clay to earn a trophy? I shoot shotguns to enjoy it. I take game shooting and decoying seriously, but only use clay busting for practice. I apologise if that doesn't sit comfortably with you as you obviously take clay shooting a lot more seriously than I do. I'm too busy in other areas of shooting to get involved in competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Learning to shoot the right piece of sky wins over choke selection any day. I have three m/c guns and cannot remember what choke is in which or when I last changed them for clays or pigeon. Good coach will lead you to doing the same thing consistantly then you change fit or stance or aim to get results (or any combo) to get good results every time. But of course I may be wrong and all that changing the plumbing on every stand might just be the answer to shooting perfection. PS Anyone who does change the plumbing on every stand, please do it while you are in the queue not after you have been called to the stand Grrrr!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaikalsRule90 Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) in my opinion it doesnt matter what chokes are in the barrel. your concentration should purely be on the target in hand not faffing around with chokes that dont make a blind bit of differnce IF the barrels are pointing in the right place. for example the first time i went clay shooting with my new gun i had 3/4 and full in the barrels as i never even looked to change them (anticipation issues lol) i went back a few weeks later with 1/4 and 1/2 and did slightly worse than before. as long as you aim at the right piece of sky the target will break. i only changed the chokes and pigeons were reduced to smouldering balls of ash when decoying. P.S about my previous post........ i didnt mean the taper got more agressive towards the end of a M/C barrel i meant the actual slant of the choke at the end of the taper. also can someone PLEASE!! tell me how to do the quote thing as i am a newb at forums. Edited March 30, 2009 by BaikalsRule90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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