fullbore Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Did you see the press about the BNP councilors - claim the full expenses and don't attend meetings - the cheapest of the cost £1620 per meeting - they've ALL got theeir nose in the trough. No one has caught UKIP yet but I would bet it is only a matter of time. Anyone who wants into public office should immediately be banned from holding it., Which press was that in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I might be forced to defend a couple of MPs now... There are _some_ decent ones out there. The LibDem MP for Cambridge (or one of them) doesn't claim for a second home and commutes to London every day. By all accounts, he's a decent honest bloke, which makes a change. I think a lot of the rest of them are up to their noses in it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinksford Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Do as i have done find your MPs email address using Google and ask for a breakdown of his/her expense claims,under the freedom of information act they must supply them and they know people are taking notice Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 The government should buy apartments for them to use, that would save any claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) Pay MP's a real wage and they wouldnt rip off the benefits. £60K is **** all considering the responsibility of the roles they have and how generally clever they are. Edited May 16, 2009 by J@mes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Wouldn't be as bad if they were a democratically elected government, I certainly don't recall ever seeing that one eyed scottish idiot (Clarkson you are a genius) leading a party at election time.Maybe we should compile a list of decent mp's, you could fit that list on a post it note if you wrote it with a big marker pen. There isn't many jumping to anyones defence though is there? They are too scared of any investigation. But that will be covered up anyway. I remember hearing Mugabe saying that he was the righful leader of Zimbabwe in the same vein that Gordon Brown deemed himself to be the rightful leader of the UK! Touche that man! Even if he is a cold hearted, devious, torturing, no good ******* sonofabitch! And Mugabe ain't too disimilar either. I don't get it with Gordon's jaw dropping thing that he does. Has anyone else noticed that or is it just me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I don't get it with Gordon's jaw dropping thing that he does. Has anyone else noticed that or is it just me? I notice it. He looks like a guppy fish at feeding time, rather than a Prime Minister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Pay MP's a real wage and they wouldnt rip off the benefits. £60K is **** all considering the responsibility of the roles they have and how generally clever they are. I have seen you post some tosh in my time but this one takes the biscuit. Responsibility my ****, Nurses have a site more resposibilty and longer hours and don't earn a fraction of 60k and please don't suggest nurses aren't clever. There are countless others in our society with demanding responsible jobs who all earn nearer 20k and in my opinion are worth 10 of any MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I have seen you post some tosh in my time but this one takes the biscuit. Responsibility my ****, Nurses have a site more resposibilty and longer hours and don't earn a fraction of 60k and please don't suggest nurses aren't clever. There are countless others in our society with demanding responsible jobs who all earn nearer 20k and in my opinion are worth 10 of any MP so running our country isn't a responsibility? you really are a ******* idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 And I notice that you highlight £60K - ****, i earn nearly that as an electrical engineer with responsibility for keeping 100 miles of a transport network running, never mind a whole department such as work and pensions, NHS, eductation etc etc etc. wake up. outside of politics these people would be earning 10 times this. look at tony blair now - look at what he earns compared to what he did while running this country. nurses make a decision that effects one person at a time MP's make a decision that effects 60 MILION people at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 And I notice that you highlight £60K - ****, i earn nearly that as an electrical engineer with responsibility for keeping 100 miles of a transport network running, never mind a whole department such as work and pensions, NHS, eductation etc etc etc. wake up. outside of politics these people would be earning 10 times this. look at tony blair now - look at what he earns compared to what he did while running this country. nurses make a decision that effects one person at a time MP's make a decision that effects 60 MILION people at a time. Until now I thought you were just an idiot, now I realise you are gullible as well. So you really believe these theiving scum are working with our best interests at heart, wake up! And how is your salary relevant to this discussion, it's not. We have 60 million people in this country and 600+ MP's, America has a population of 303,824,640 ,and only 400 Mp's or their equivalent. Nurse decisions affect only one person at a time, but many per shift, and I bet you perspective on that would change if one of tose "only One Persons" was related to you. And the fact that Tony Blair was in politics has nothing to do with his earning capacity now? How much do you think he'd be able to command if he hadn't been PM? And was his salary then only 60k? No! I highlited 60k because that is what you quoted as not being enough for an MP, so it's right in your eyes for them to STEAL from us then, and then pass it off as a mistake??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 so running our country isn't a responsibility? you really are a ******* idiot. The responsibilty of runnning this country lies with the Government, not the other MP's and hangerson and members of the opposition. And kindly refrain from using profanities at me just because my opinion differs from yours, if you want an intellectual discussion, lets try and keep it out of the gutter, unles of cource you are more comfortable there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 And I notice that you highlight £60K - ****, i earn nearly that as an electrical engineer with responsibility for keeping 100 miles of a transport network running, A transport network? possibly trains, watch out for the wrong leaves If roads, well in Lincolnshire that must be half a dozen cars a day and a few tractors, I'm impressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) outside of politics these people would be earning 10 times this. look at tony blair now - look at what he earns compared to what he did while running this country. You reckon they'd be on £600K ? Half them haven't done anything _other_ than be politicians, they'd be sod all use at anything else. Tony Blair's earning what he does because he was the PM for 10 years and is a good public speaker. Do you think Gordon Brown's going to earn as much? MP's make a decision that effects 60 MILION people at a time. I'm increasingly starting to believe that the country runs despite politicians, not because of them. Nial. Edited May 18, 2009 by Nial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! I love it when a topic goes inter stellar between a couple of members with opposing views Have to say, I'm with fullbore on this one. I believe I am correct in saying that for a lot of MP's, they have additional jobs outside their roles. A lot are company directors or on the board of whatever so they're coining it in there as well. Bloody hell, it's not as if they're hard done by. You have to be loaded to even think about becoming an MP. Got that from my finacial advisor who looked into it a few years back. He's far from being on the bread line and said it wouldn't be economically viable for him to pursue that avenue (unless he just didn't want some reporter exposing his skeletons) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 The fact is, there is no shortage of power-crazed people wanting to become MP's. Why pay them more? If they are any good, politically inclined companies will pay them for a directorship, or they will be able to flog their memoirs or go on a lecture tour. If they are mediocre, why should we pay more for mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 My understanding was that it was only members of the cabinet who could directly be responsible for running the country - do you think that the elected Green MP for back-water-by-the-sea is responsible for anything outside of making sure his own trousers stay up? Members of the cabinet are on 6 figures plus and get a lovely pension and expenses scheme. I also heard, but are not sure if this is true, that MPs that fall out of government or who lose at a general election get a full years salary to help them settle back into normal life. I also heard that for an MP to pick up the final salary pension they only need to be in the gig a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 O think we need an FOI request for that. That bloke from Dewsbury that had to stand down was on 141k as Justice Secretary. That's a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) The Speaker's much-anticipated statement to the Commons today went well, don't you think? It showed admirable humility, really grasping the public mood and placating all that ill-feeling. Edited May 18, 2009 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) The Speaker's much-anticipated statement to the Commons today went well, don't you think? It showed admirable humility, really grasping the public mood and placating all that ill-feeling. He's toast Edit: I should add that his career is toast. I am not suggesting that he be shot in the head, obviously. Edited May 18, 2009 by Mungler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Fair point - perhaps advocating that he should be shot in the head is a little strong on my part. I'll just think it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swift4me Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 We have exactly the same thing going on in my home state of California right now. A special election tomorrow to add more layers of s&%t onto the pile. Boils down to the same thing. Once people are elected they are like a freshman in the college dorms... who's dad and mom?.... where's the next free beer....I really know more than the people who sent me here, and I've got to take care of the guys who gave me the free beer. Mix in a bit of liberalism, a few million immigrants, two significant mayors who are more concerned about the immigrants and homo marriage than the taxpayers and WHAM... pretty soon you're screwed. They have an ideal STATE in mind except for the people who actually do something that produces taxable income. 10 years ago California was the 7th largest economy in the world. Today.... looking for the nearest piece of flotsam. A sad story, but what can we do? Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I can't see it lasting. Eventually the world economy will shrink and there will not be enough to go round. I can even see there being a worldwide famine. The next ten years are going to see unparalleled levels of taxation. Not doom and gloom but just my take on the situation. So I think it's time for a beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markb Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I don't pretend to understand what the hell is going on but, from what I gather if the speaker stands down or resigns or what ever, the whole episode is sorted ??all the thieving scum mp's can breath a big sigh of relief because joe public will have had their pound of flesh, well as far as I am concerned fiddling your expenses is a sackable offence in most places, so sack 'em and if they change the man at the top does that mean all the mp's are going to be good little boy's and girl's like ****. Whoever has been caught on the fiddle should be sacked, Did anyone hear Tam whatsisname on Jeremy Vine this afternoon, trying to justify why he needed an £18,000 book case I can't even afford to buy a 2nd hand tractor that I despreatly need to run my farm And I hope that all these mp's that are calling for his resignation have not had their noses in the trough. Kettle, pot, black spring to mind. What realy get's me is that none of them can see what they've done wrong, is that partial vision or just plain arrogance??? 'nough said I'm off to feed the dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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