tweedledee Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 guys i will get slaughtered for this but i reckon you should embrace the airgun ban. any right minded airgunner would n`t mind his air rifle going on fac.we here in n ireland have to have any weapon on fac.it is a bit of hassle but we seldom hear of any kind of airgun related shooting incidents. the ban will come no matter what you do so you should consider getting them on ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester energy Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I think that some of us need to get our heads around the power of a BB gun......Go any Sunday too an AIRSOFT event and feel the pain when a BB hits you !!.....Rapid fire rifles can be adjusted too extreme chrono limits although the guide is around 330 fps for AIRSOFT events. I have seen some that fire VERY RAPID and at velocity that shatter pot mugs and dent thin steel sheet!! I know that the Airsoft fraternity are a hardened bunch that respect the laws of the event but a few of these guns get into the wrong hands , just like pellet guns, which in turn add to buses and passing cars getting shot at along with pet cats. It would seem that the Airsoft community is regulated more than .177 / .22 pellet owners are :yp: Even too the point that if you are under 18 years old your Airsoft weapon has to be finished in a bright green or Blue finish as too make it look more of a toy.Lets face it you can buy a pellet pistol that looks exactly like a Walther or Smith & Wesson and you are ready to rob the bank!!..The point being made is that YES pellet guns should be under some form of License and maybe if you are a Shotgun Cert holder your Air Rifle should also be on your Cert??...I would be happy to do it! Possibly anyone who has not got a Shotgun Cert should be made to register for a Cert that covers the ownership and use of Air based weapons including Airsoft??? VERY COMPLEX BUT IT NEEDS SORTING !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrelsniffer Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 All the occurences you mention are of course reprehensible, so is running over a cat or a child with a car. Is there any rumour of banning cars in Scotland or anywhere else in the UK? agree there,how many die a yr due to cars.mostly being driven by drunk or drugged up or plain stupid drivers .same thing,a rifle in the right hands is safe.put it into someones hand who is irresponsible and this it what happens. Yet banning cars will never happen. Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Firstly, The Scottish parliament have not (yet) got the power to change firearms legislation in the UK, that still sits with Westminster. The current proposal in Scotland is not aimed at the recreational shooter – BASC has been on the case with this for many weeks- people who use their guns for hunting, target shooting for example will not be caught out / banned. BUT we do need to make sure that ANY change also does not affect collectors or ‘plinkers’ IF airguns were licensed, unless there was a re-write of the firearms Act, it would be under Section 1 – nightmare! You would need to prove good reasons for owning each and every airgun you wanted to own…let not go there! David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 The sooner they licence them the better, it will help prevent scum getting thier hands on them so easily in the future, if you are using an airgun for a genuine reason then licencing it shouldn't be a problem.... End of story afaic.... Well done. One of the worst opinions I've ever read on here. I'm sure as you can recall, the handgun ban worked a treat and there's now no gun crime involving pistols... I can bet you that 99.999% of this forum learnt respect for firearms by starting with an airgun, then progressing further. How do you expect to keep shooting alive with everything licensed. I do believe that you must be an anti to come out with that load of ****. I mean, you'd probably support the idea of licencing catapults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT1 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 One of the worst yes but, a lot of the stuff on here is full of derogatory comments ie "scum" and I'm holier than thou etc. I had an air gun siezed for being in a public place, putting it in the boot of my car. I suppose some would advocate my being hung drawn and quartered or as it was a first offence settle for castration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 put a licence on them and it still wont work. guys i will get slaughtered for this but i reckon you should embrace the airgun ban. any right minded airgunner would n`t mind his air rifle going on fac.we here in n ireland have to have any weapon on fac.it is a bit of hassle but we seldom hear of any kind of airgun related shooting incidents. the ban will come no matter what you do so you should consider getting them on ticket. Firstly, The Scottish parliament have not (yet) got the power to change firearms legislation in the UK, that still sits with Westminster. The current proposal in Scotland is not aimed at the recreational shooter – BASC has been on the case with this for many weeks- people who use their guns for hunting, target shooting for example will not be caught out / banned. BUT we do need to make sure that ANY change also does not affect collectors or ‘plinkers’ IF airguns were licensed, unless there was a re-write of the firearms Act, it would be under Section 1 – nightmare! You would need to prove good reasons for owning each and every airgun you wanted to own…let not go there! David How the hell can you put air guns on a ticket? So you are saying unless you have suitable land or a member of a club(Peoples back gardens would be written out, even if you have an acre out the back?) you would be prohibited from owning one full stop? If they go section 1 then that will be an unfair implication on a far number of the population who for some reason or another do-not want a SGC or an FAC. At the moment if you break the law with an air weapon then you will be prosecuted, it makes no odds whether you are licensed or not with any firearm. All these inner city incidents are being committed by the an element of the population who have no regard for licences or such like so what difference would it make? So if they go section 1 you will then need good reason, you may find it hard to own or keep one if for arguement's sake you already have a .22rf? It will also be a carte blanche opportunity for the authorities to advocate a yes or no on the majority of honest people. Absolute load of old tosh this licensing for airguns lark. While I feel for the victims of any crime it has been proved time and time in this country greater controls do nothing, and that goes for all aspects of our lives. The only surefire way to stop it is to take airguns totally out of the system which would as we know become very costly to the taxpayer and take many years to achieve-Thats is if it will work, which I think it won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Not an Anti at all, but by making an air gun harder to obtain will reduce the amount of idiots using them to shoot kids/pets eventually. If people could buy a rimfire without a firearms cert do you not think there would be more cases of kids and pets shot with these? so on that basis the licensing of airguns would eventually have the same effect on air guns and reduce the amount of incidents and make them harder (although not impossible) for idiots to obtain. And whether you feel this is the "worst opinion you've ever heard" or not really matters not a jot as i'm guessing you've never seen the damage an airgun does to a child when one of these baseball cap wearing neds decides to be a "high rise sniper" Gixer. Edited July 14, 2009 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Not an Anti at all, but by making an air gun harder to obtain will reduce the amount of idiots using them to shoot kids/pets eventually. If people could buy a rimfire without a firearms cert do you not think there would be more cases of kids and pets shot with these? so on that basis the licensing of airguns would eventually have the same effect on air guns and reduce the amount of incidents and make them harder (although not impossible) for idiots to obtain. And whether you feel this is the "worst opinion you've ever heard" or not really matters not a jot as i'm guessing you've never seen the damage an airgun does to a child when one of these baseball cap wearing neds decides to be a "high rise sniper" Gixer. I am perfectly capable of guessing what damage an airgun can do. I've owned one since I was 6. Nevertheless, there are better ways of ensuring kids don't mess about. Such as requiring photographic ID to purchase a gun and the address and other details are logged and sent to the police. The responsibillty of the gun then directly lies with the owner. Forensics could then easily trace pellets back to guns and their owners. Once this happens and becomes news, it'll quickly become clear that you can't mess about with airguns without there being conciquences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA-airgunner Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 dont ban air rifles as its the muppets behind them that are the probleme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveb Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 A ban will not work, there are thousands of air guns in scotland, what they should consider is photo id and proof of address to be logged by the rfd that sells the gun and when pellets are purchased, that way any shooting incident that takes place the police will have a good idea as to where air guns are kept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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