american or varmint?

[wildfowler.250]

I keep changing my mind over the two models

 

Which one do you prefer and why ? I'm considering a varmint for my .22 as the gun will be heavy by the time the scope and mod are on but really cant decide

 

Will the varmint be more accaurate?

 

 

 

Oh and if varmint "wins" over american it then goes down to wood or silhouette version

[steve_b_wales]

I have ordered a CZ 452 17HMR American Varmint. It's not that much heavier than a standard barrel. The advantage is that it will stay cool for longer, if you were rapid firing.

Also, being heavier should help to make the rifle more steady when aiming.

Edited July 23, 2009 by steve_b_wales

[LXX73]

I'm sure the Varmint or American only come in wood so if you were to pick either model synthetic wouldn't be an option. As for heavy barrel, personal choice as the heating and accuracy is more applicable to centrefire.

[wildfowler.250]

thanksThanks for the quick replies

is the American varmint a varmint barrel on an American stock or the other way around?

And apologies about the synthetic comment; I was meaning that the silhouette is a similar style to the American so the choice would be to either go for a wood stock and choose the American or a synthetic one and opt for the silhouette,(apart from the stock what's the difference between the two anyway? ).

 

 

Thanks again!

[Baldrick]

Get an American. Why lug a heavy rifle around for the sake of it, when you are using a round that generates barely any heat? The Varmint's stock also lacks chequering on the fore-end. I use an American 16" with a 6-9" bipod, a steel-tubed scope and a steel ASE mod. I would not want to carry any more than that.

 

The Silhouette is the only version of the 452 with a plastic stock - and it is just that, plastic. It's got less rigidity than an octogenarian's todger.

[ST3V3]

Get an American. Why lug a heavy rifle around for the sake of it, when you are using a round that generates barely any heat? The Varmint's stock also lacks chequering on the fore-end. I use an American 16" with a 6-9" bipod, a steel-tubed scope and a steel ASE mod. I would not want to carry any more than that.

 

The Silhouette is the only version of the 452 with a plastic stock - and it is just that, plastic. It's got less rigidity than an octogenarian's todger.

 

 

style is synthetic with nickel plated barrel

 

synthetic stock doesnt expand like wood so barrel doesnt need to be floated like all the wooden stocks are or supposed to be also doesnt show dinks like a wooden stock

[JohnGalway]

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Edited September 20, 2009 by JohnGalway

[steve_b_wales]

Correct. As LXX73 says, the American Varmint has a wood stock (well mine will be anyway) I wanted this because all my other rifles, apart from my BRNO 22LR have laminate/synthetic stocks.

I don't intend carrying it too far though, and I am used to heavy rifles. My Sako75 with scope,bipod and T8 moderator is quite heavy.

[ST3V3]

i prefer the "bendy stock" over wooden but that down to personal choice hits what i point it at so im happy

[wildfowler.250]

Get an American. Why lug a heavy rifle around for the sake of it, when you are using a round that generates barely any heat? The Varmint's stock also lacks chequering on the fore-end. I use an American 16" with a 6-9" bipod, a steel-tubed scope and a steel ASE mod. I would not want to carry any more than that.

 

The Silhouette is the only version of the 452 with a plastic stock - and it is just that, plastic. It's got less rigidity than an octogenarian's todger.

 

That was my thinking aswell! So what is the point in the varmint model ? And as you mentioned barrel warming, I was thinking, does the .17HMR generate enough heat to justify the varmint?

 

 

style is synthetic with nickel plated barrel

 

synthetic stock doesnt expand like wood so barrel doesnt need to be floated like all the wooden stocks are or supposed to be also doesnt show dinks like a wooden stock

 

Thanks but I decided against the style due to the silver barrel possibly reflecting when lamping/flashing on a sunny day

[Baldrick]

That was my thinking aswell! So what is the point in the varmint model ? And as you mentioned barrel warming, I was thinking, does the .17HMR generate enough heat to justify the varmint?

 

There's no point in the .22LR Varmint, in my opinion. It's more a matter of aesthetics than function. A .17 HMR does generate a lot more heat, so yes, the heavier barrel does have some application, but do remember that a varmint barrel takes an age to cool on a windless summer day. I managed perfectly well with the reed-thin barrel on my CZ .17 HMR.

[Beardo]

There's no point in the .22LR Varmint, in my opinion. It's more a matter of aesthetics than function. A .17 HMR does generate a lot more heat, so yes, the heavier barrel does have some application, but do remember that a varmint barrel takes an age to cool on a windless summer day. I managed perfectly well with the reed-thin barrel on my CZ .17 HMR.

 

me too!

[mikee]

ive just bought a 452 american in .22lr, i tried the varmint and the hogs back stock model and prefered the american with the normal barrel, 20" with sako mod, FAC should (touch wood) come today after a bit of arm twisting with the lovely lady in the licencing dept, so hopefully by monday the local bunnies will need to keep their heads down

 

mikee

[Bing-Bong]

I tried both the american and varmit, chose the american because of the extra weight with the varmit. The only advantage that I could see in opting for the varmit was if you did a lot of your shooting from inside of a truck or car. I also prefered the looks of the american, more classic lines. If shooting from a bipod then I see no real advantage of a heavier rifle in .22, maybe on the bigger calibres to reduce recoil. I can still hold my american steady when standing, weighs enough once you've added scope, mounts, mod and bipod.

 

 

Darren.

[JohnGalway]

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Edited September 20, 2009 by JohnGalway

[gubby_uk]

I have a varmint. Love it. Simple. I have a .243 with a varmint barrel and a .22 target which is very heavy. Once you get used to the weight it grows on you. In target, the heavier the better for accuracy. I've found it applies with my hunting rifles too. Give me a skinney bang stick and I wave it about like a pudding stirrer Free standing with the varmint I find it rock solid. Best bet is to try both. If you're local you're welcome to try mine.

[George1990]

Varmint. Prefer the front of the stock on the American as it has chequering and is rounded, while the Varmint is square.

 

Noticed though that the Varmint has a much nicer grip, like a palm-swell or air rifle grip, which feels really nice to hold. The American hasn't (not the left-handed American anyway) and is just bog standard straight.

[shot shot]

Varmint. Prefer the front of the stock on the American as it has chequering and is rounded, while the Varmint is square.

 

Noticed though that the Varmint has a much nicer grip, like a palm-swell or air rifle grip, which feels really nice to hold. The American hasn't (not the left-handed American anyway) and is just bog standard straight.

hit the nail on the head, there is no lefty varmint

[njc110381]

I like the American. The Varmint is a waste of energy in rimfire form. Get the short barrel too

[JohnGalway]

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Edited September 20, 2009 by JohnGalway

[PAULT]

just get an anschutz you know it makes sense