mr smith Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 (edited) I really dont know the law,but i would think its not right to give a gun to a normal pc, unless they have a cert .its against the law to give a gun to someone without the right paper work.(and let it out of sight) cheers scott Any police officer can indeed take your gun from you whilst on duty as part of their job.I mean lets say they come across an armed crim of some description do you think their not allowed to try and disarm him in the course of their duty because they don't have a FAC for it. Edited August 11, 2009 by mr smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 If you have no id at all with you you could be arrested until such point as they confirm your identity. And bear in mind that, as you have been arrested, innocent or not you WILL give them a sample of your DNA :hmm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 And bear in mind that, as you have been arrested, innocent or not you WILL give them a sample of your DNA Wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toka_shigazu Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 No, he is right about the dna, police forces are still taking dna/prints and photo for everyone locked up. about the permission thing...you are right about it not being a legal right to have to carry it but if you get stopped by officers on land with a firearm and they aren't happy whether you have permission you will be arrested for trespass with a firearm - if you dont mind the inconvenience there's nothing to worry about. ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog546 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Doesnt this sum up how c**p this country is now! We all willing supply authorisation for our medical records to be check,a current photograph,secure homes for our weapons,rigorous checks,avoid conflict when out and about,but are still treated like criminals! Not long ago they wanted to give all the football hooligans ID cards,remember the public outcry of infringing their human rights. Surely its time they had a shake up of the systems instigated by idiots in this country,and leave the country people control the country as they have for centuries!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) No, he is right about the dna, police forces are still taking dna/prints and photo for everyone locked up. about the permission thing...you are right about it not being a legal right to have to carry it but if you get stopped by officers on land with a firearm and they aren't happy whether you have permission you will be arrested for trespass with a firearm - if you dont mind the inconvenience there's nothing to worry about. ATB No, you're still wrong. Arrested for a chargable offence = DNA sample. Arrested to/while plod confirm your identity = non chargable = no DNA sample. Simples. Edited August 12, 2009 by LEFTY478 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toka_shigazu Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) Don't want to argue but DNA prints and photo are all taken after arrest on first visit to custody...most are charged after a short period of bail...FACT!! [i work there!] just found this... http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...=114569&hl= Arrested to/while plod confirm your identity = non chargable = no DNA sample. just re read this and yes there may be times if they want to get you out the door if there is no offence being investigated and it is just to confirm your id... but we are talking about investigating carrying a knife in public......you will have your dna taken!! Edited August 12, 2009 by toka_shigazu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toka_shigazu Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 ON the post on THL, BASC set out the policy.....although a folding knife with a blade under 3" may be ok it can still be considered an offensive weapon so you can still be arrested with a folding knife with a 1" blade....it is all about good reason!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Don't want to argue but DNA prints and photo are all taken after arrest on first visit to custody...most are charged after a short period of bail...FACT!! [i work there!] just found this... http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...=114569&hl= just re read this and yes there may be times if they want to get you out the door if there is no offence being investigated and it is just to confirm your id... but we are talking about investigating carrying a knife in public......you will have your dna taken!! I'm not saying that an arrest can't lead to DNA being taken; I am, though, challenging the notion that any and all arrests/detentions - especially to enable identity to be confirmed - would automatically lead to dabs and swabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toka_shigazu Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 hi...if it was only detained for the puropse of confirming i.d. then you wouldn't necessarily have any taken [as sometimes the checks done may take the time it does to book someone in], but for any and all arrests where an offence is being investigated then yes dna, f/prints and photo will be taken [unless there is a problem with any of the equipment used i.e camera, run out of dna swabs etc] ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) No, you're still wrong. Arrested for a chargable offence = DNA sample.Arrested to/while plod confirm your identity = non chargable = no DNA sample. Simples. hi...if it was only detained for the puropse of confirming i.d. then you wouldn't necessarily have any taken [as sometimes the checks done may take the time it does to book someone in], but for any and all arrests where an offence is being investigated then yes dna, f/prints and photo will be taken [unless there is a problem with any of the equipment used i.e camera, run out of dna swabs etc] ATB My Bold, I believe. Edited August 12, 2009 by LEFTY478 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toka_shigazu Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) Arrested for any offence = DNA sample; would be better....not only chargeable offences. hi...just checked to clarify..... it is still the case that anyone coming into the custody suite...for whatever reason...will be subject to dna, f/prints and photo...if they aren't charged/proceeded against or details confirmed then they can apply for the dna, f/prints, photo to be destroyed, otherwise they are kept. the only exceptions are if equipment is damaged or they are too busy for staff to be able to get the tests done and it would be unreasonable for the person to be kept in custody until such a time that they could be taken.... hope this helps!! Edited August 12, 2009 by toka_shigazu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Can you explain to me why DNA is taken of innocent people before they have ben convicted of something? Surely this is just criminalising innocent peopel if they have done nothing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 You know what to do if you don't like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Yes, lobby, campaign and ensure that Police State tactics are not employed against law abiding citizens, unlike some who would do nothing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 (edited) Wrong. Believe me sunshine. I am VERY DEFINITELY right You have to be given a reason for your arrest and "You might not be who you say you are" is not a reason to arrest you. Arrested and guns confiscated while they confirm who you are would be suspecting you of a firearms offence which is an arrestable offence. There is, though, a huge difference between being arrested and being detained. Detained is not arrested so unlikely for DNA to be taken. And I'm pretty sure that once they have your DNA they have it. If you're not charged you can apply to have your photo and fingerprints deleted but NOT your DNA. Edited August 12, 2009 by DaveK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Any police officer can indeed take your gun from you whilst on duty as part of their job.I mean lets say they come across an armed crim of some description do you think their not allowed to try and disarm him in the course of their duty because they don't have a FAC for it. You have take me so wrong! yep but thats not my gun , iam resposable for my own gun, And if the idoits cant see the difference between a crime and sport they should not be police. If a motorbike is used in a crime a police officer who cant ride a motorbike, would not have a go of it! Police officers are not above the law,they may think they are,but they not. Guns should only be handled by trained people.(police included) Iam often out shooting when army helicopters are flying low, I dont hide or do anything silly just stand or walk normally and get on with it. I wear camo ,and am standing in a field with a gun,the chaps in the chooper can see what i doing , and have never called out the police. So i feel sorry that the police cant use a bit of sense and do the same! Police that control and handle guns are never a problem,in fact they love the sport normally. The problem is a cop that wants promotion! (normally young ones) Once when out i did see the police helicopter(above me),so phoned them(999) to see what they were looking for. They said someone had got out the local prison.(so i went home) We must all try to get on with the police to ensure our sport can continue,unlike the stupid ban on hand guns. But the police must understand that we have them for sport.not crime. I must say always be nice to them when you are carrying a gun ,do not be rude. Because if you are dealing with a nasty one you will end up with a stupid record that may mean bye bye to all your guns If you are dealing with armed police just do as you are told, or you may be dead! scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 If a motorbike is used in a crime a police officer who cant ride a motorbike, would not have a go of it! scott He might not be able to have a go but he would be allowed to hold it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 He might not be able to have a go but he would be allowed to hold it. Thats my point. Thats how alot of people get shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Just how many people are shot by police officers on duty with non police firearms? I've only had one run in with police whilst out shooting,the ordinary police wouldn't go near it nor let me til the firearm chappies arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 > He might not be able to have a go but he would be allowed to hold it. Thats my point. Thats how alot of people get shot. As someone who is a responsible shooter you wouldn't think of clearing the gun and showing them it's empty when handing it over then. Or would you load it, take the safety off and throw it to them? Nial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Well he had the same mind set as me then. Leave it to people who know what there are doing. Let me guess the firearms chap let you get on with it? i feel sorry for evil elvis. he was in the middle of a field not the high street. He was enjoying a legal sport, and got a load of hassle from the cops. Its easy to see the differences from a sporting use of a gun and a criminal use. I still dont think anyone without training should go near a gun, the fact the someone if a police man makes no difference. You know how to use a gun or you would not be on here, Somepeople are clueless . I just hope evil elvis keeps shooting, I would say write to your MP and the firearms officer. Explain what happened and try to make sure it does not happen again. I love my sport ,and would hate to think some policeman without common sense would stop any of us shooting. Guns do go off when handled by untrained people thats a fact. The police normally call in an S.O team to deal with criminal use of guns,anyway. cheers scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 As someone who is a responsible shooter you wouldn't think of clearing the gun and showing them it's empty when handing it over then. Nial You may think of clearing the gun but it's not always possible. I tried to unload mine once (only an air rifle) and the copper told me to put it on the ground and leave it. You don't argue when you can see they mean business. On another occasion I was told to bring the gun to the copper. I told him that I was not bringing it out into a public place and stood it behind the field gate. He wasn't happy that I'd come out without it so I told him it was loaded with the safety on and if HE wanted it HE would have to go in and get it, otherwise I'd return with it unloaded and cased. I returned with it unloaded and cased. On this occasion it was obviously a young constable that wanted to beat his chest and I knew I could best him. His mate, an older chap was stood by the car shaking his head. In the main they see reason but you don't always get to do what you know is the safe thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 nial I would unload it straight away ,and put in a gun slip and ask to see the firearms officer. iam saying co oparate with them but only give it to a trained person. Gun safety first! if you start pointing loaded guns at people ,your a idoit. I dont think iam getting my point across clearly here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr salt Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 iam with davek on this. he just said it in a more straight forward way than me. evil elvis if you are in basc i think they can help you legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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