Epic Fail Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) on firt application i applied for .22lr rifles (x2) and the wording for them was .22lr rifle + .22 sound moderator and the ammunition was written ad .22lr now after a few variations i have sold one rifle and had that slot re opened but did not speciry "lr" i asked for .22 rifle + .22 Sound mod and now the open slot shows ".22RF + .22 sound moderator" and also the ammunition has changed to ".22RF" also the posession table at the top has now been changed to .22RF where as it was written .22 rifle before my variation one of my permissions has specified ".22 rimfire and .17 rimfire" now does this mean with the new wording i could technically buy a .22mag or .22short rifle and ammo ? (as they are rimfire) Edited September 17, 2009 by angelotambini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Short answer .... yes :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Fail Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 the highlited shows the .22RF which was previously just .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 This subject has been asked many times before. Technically yes, you can buy any .22 rimfire, you can also buy any type ie bolt action, semi-auto, straight pull etc BUT... think of it from another angle for a minute, if you buy something other than what you applied for due to a technical error it could be conceived as attempting to defraud or acquire a calibre not in accordance with your licence or your application. In short I think its best to get the slot filled with a .22LR as you initially asked for :look: that way there can be no grey area, no misconception and no investigations to answer to :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Fail Posted September 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 on this variation i didnt specify what i wanted i just said.. .22 rifle.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffygun Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 If you didn't pay the £26 variation fee then they will automatically give you the like-for-like 1-4-1 variation so you would've been granted a slot to purchase another B/A 22LR (or S/a 22LR depending on which rifle you sold) :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I just say stop trying to be clever and just stick with what you asked for. You'll soon have the grin wiped off your face when you get done for illegally holding a firearm that you aren't licenced to hold. (before you say you can hold it, one look at your application form will answer that) You've actually brought this subject up before and it got nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Fail Posted September 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 i didn't say i was going to buy a .22 short or mag.. Im just asking if it was possible with this wording.. I have another topic going on here which i have said i want a 10 22 that i have seen in .22lr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I will say the same as I did when this subject last came up. A youngish chap I know had his fac come back worded as yours after applying for a .22lr. He to thought he would be clever and buy a WMR. All went well until he put in a variation for a .223. To his surprise the local feo turned up and read him the riot act, refused his variation took away the WMR and made him reapply for a .22lr. You know what you applied for and the police know what you applied for, it's all a matter of trust. If the police see you can't be trusted to purchase what you applied for they will have second thoughts on your suitability to hold a fac. I remember this well as I was one of his references !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Fail Posted September 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 i think they should make things more clear with the wording as there are very bad things that can hapen if you get it wrong.. And like i said i wasn't planning on buying the different caliber.. Just asking the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Are you a gun nut or someting? If you wrote .22LR on your form then surely that is what you wanted. If you buy someting else then within 7 days of buying it you really should expect a knock on your door as you will have had to inform the police of your purchase. Or are you just having a competition with your mates to see who can get the most slots for different firearms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) hang on he wrote on the variation form .22rf so why should he expect a knock if he buys a .22rf? It has occured before on here where people have been granted variations for .22cf and had the whole range to choose from so this shouldn't be different, the fact is you've an HMR and a .22lr already so a .22wmr isn't that different power wise. Sometimes some FEO's do give you a bit of slack to decide what to get after all look what else is listed to aquire and I don't think the FEO is too concerned about your ability Edited September 18, 2009 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) This is definetly a case for some kind of training before a FAC is granted if I ever I have read one. I can assure you that if I wrote .22 rifle on an application the first thing my FEO would say is "If you don't know what you want then you can't have it" What was your reason for wanting it? If it was long range rabbits then you have an HMR and if it was for quietness then you want a .22LR with a moderator that you already have. Edited September 18, 2009 by MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I'd say it was as much a sign of training on the firearms departments side as if its an issue they shouldn't have made the mistake. Almost sounds like they don't know there is more than one kind of .22rf lets face it on paper you have the right to buy any rimfire so to backtrack and say they didn't mean it would be pretty difficult IMHO, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Fail Posted September 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 i didn't even ask for .22rf i just wrote '.22 rifle' and the police wrote '.22rf' on my cert.. Im not planning on buying the short or magnum rifle or the ammo.. and also the cf and black powder slots are to be used at a range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epic Fail Posted September 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 wrang up the feo before i put in my variation and asked what they wanted me to write and asked them what a good reason was for replacing it and they told me to write .22 rifle and for a reason just say same as previous.. Which was for vermin and target shooting at ranges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) When I first applied for my FAC I specifically asked for a .22lr rifle, but when I got my ticket it said .22rf rifle (and .22rf in the ammo sections too). While shopping for the rifle I was offered a .22WMR rifle but like you wasn’t sure whether I could buy it legally. Fortunately I got on really well with my FEO (who is now a shooting mate) so I asked him about it and he told me that .22rf covers ALL .22 rimfire rifles, lr, WMR, short, the lot. It is specifically written into the Police Guidance to firearms law 2002 that they should allow shooters some freedom of choice in their selection of firearms, which is why SOME forces allow things like .22rf, .22cf etc. I don’t have the section to hand but if people are pedantic enough, and work doesn’t get too busy I’ll look it up . . . Unless your FEO instructs you to specify a particular calibre, i.e. you ask for .22cf and they ask you to say put; .223/5.56mmx45mm, then you can legally buy ANY .22 centrefire calibre rifle. (According to my now ex-FEO friends anyway) As ever, if in doubt ring your FEO! Mark Edited September 18, 2009 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 (According to my now ex-FEO friends anyway) Mark Wasn't the recently departed/arrested FEO for Durham by any chance?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 No but he worked with him and i do know one of the arrested officers as he used to shoot at one of my clubs mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 No but he worked with him and i do know one of the arrested officers as he used to shoot at one of my clubs mark Haha, I was going to say that I'd not take much advice if your mate was the one who got arrested...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) I have had .22LR for about 4 years now and my FAC has been through one variation with it on also. And it has always been called a .22RF, diffrent policing areas may call it sometihng else maybe? But mine has always been .22RF...and so has other peoples, so I dont think they would be that wreckless, if there was a problem they would know by now Steve Edited September 18, 2009 by stevethevanman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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