ChAoS Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 At the appropiate juncture (ie, later today (if I remember)), I'll post a pikky of my home-made safety flag. When I started shootin', I started clays just before PSG and discovered that de rigueur was to carry one's gun muzzle up. The thing is, I had chosen my Higgins M20 pump-action as the gun "most suitable" for clays - *don't* arsk - and found a small problem: the M20 is just about the slickest pumper on the planet. They *all* (I am told) behave the same - the action will open *fully* if the gun is cocked and pointed up without the action being locked. Hence, any safety flag falls out when the gun is placed in a rack. My solution was to make my own safety flag. I used what I had lying around (aluminium and bronze) and knocked up a spring-loaded safety flag on the lathe. As I say, later today, I'll see if I can upload a photo. (I've been meaning to make a similarly special flag for my '1887.) Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Yer 'tis: Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TbirdX Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 I made one for the M37 that consists of a piece of 20mm circular conduit and some blue tape. I'll post a pic up later if I remember! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 nice bit of turning Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 TbirdX I would be interested to see that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 nice bit of turning Mark Kind of you to say so but, "nah, not really". *Simple* turning, I can do. Anything *else*, well... If you'd like to see people do some really nice stuff, have a look on YouTube. In particular, I'm partial to watching the ClickSpring channel. Regards, Mark. P.S. It'd be nice if someone manufacturer these spring-operated flags in plastic; it'd save a lot of bother when pumpers are pointed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Agreed, there are some flags advertised as the best available on the four islands site, but these seem to be designed for side ejectors. Perhaps one of the serious PSG'ers would know? I was thinking along the lines of a scissor type mechanism (similar to an outside circlip spring loaded tool), scaled up to enter the chamber and hold back the bolt. This would work in bottom ejectors as well as side ejectors. I like to work in wood so I may get a nice piece of hardwood and try to whittle something up Kind of you to say so but, "nah, not really". *Simple* turning, I can do. Anything *else*, well...If you'd like to see people do some really nice stuff, have a look on YouTube. In particular, I'm partial to watching the ClickSpring channel.Regards,Mark.P.S. It'd be nice if someone manufacturer these spring-operated flags in plastic; it'd save a lot of bother when pumpers are pointed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Just plug it into the magazine, the action won't close so it cant fire. I don't think that that would be permitted in PSG circles because, although the magazine is plugged and the action open, the gun could still have one in the chamber. On the subject of "slack" pumpers and safety flags, in the Old Days (say, five years ago), our club was a "muzzle down" establishment - guns had to be carried and placed in a rack muzzle down. The thing is, this worked *much* better as far as flags went because, of course, the weight of the action tended to keep the flag *in*. It also meant that opening your gun bag was easier because - with mine, at least - they open butt to muzzle. Personally, I think that muzzle down is safer than muzzle up, but who am I to question the diktats? Shield Shooting Centre in Dorset still *is* muzzle down, by the way. Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 The thing is with the plug in the mag, and I don't have ay problems releasing it, is that the action can't close. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 The thing is with the plug in the mag, and I don't have ay problems releasing it, is that the action can't close. David. I must be missing something David, or I have a different Napier flag, perhaps you could post a photo? I would be obliged Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 At the appropiate juncture (ie, later today (if I remember)), I'll post a pikky of my home-made safety flag. When I started shootin', I started clays just before PSG and discovered that de rigueur was to carry one's gun muzzle up. The thing is, I had chosen my Higgins M20 pump-action as the gun "most suitable" for clays - *don't* arsk - and found a small problem: the M20 is just about the slickest pumper on the planet. They *all* (I am told) behave the same - the action will open *fully* if the gun is cocked and pointed up without the action being locked. Hence, any safety flag falls out when the gun is placed in a rack. My solution was to make my own safety flag. I used what I had lying around (aluminium and bronze) and knocked up a spring-loaded safety flag on the lathe. As I say, later today, I'll see if I can upload a photo. (I've been meaning to make a similarly special flag for my '1887.) Regards, Mark. I'm sorry but I have to ask! why the Higgins for clays? do you still have it? I don't believe that I've ever seen one in the flesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 I'm sorry but I have to ask! why the Higgins for clays? When Dad died, I was left with several guns, including a Remington 870 WM, Ithaca M37 DSPS and the Higgins M20. When I went to my first shoot, I broke a weld on the M37 with my eighth shot. Since the 870 WM seems a bit "posh" to me, I used the M20 thereafter in case I "ChAoSed" the WM. Before getting rid of the guns that I wouldn't want to shoot, I shot them at a Fareham clay shoot. They included a Greener GP, a Greener SxS hammer gun and a Marlin M55 bolt-action, box-fed goose gun with 36" barrel... do you still have it? I don't believe that I've ever seen one in the flesh. Yep. I may give it to my cousin's nipper because I don't *use* the M20 much. The last time I took it out was because I'd broken firing pins in *both* my DSPS M37s within three weeks of each other. (On that second occasion, the M20 was my backup gun.) Regards, Mark. P.S. I would still advise against using safety flags in the magazine - there, they do *not* indicate that the gun is safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Mark, that's great history you have! I can understand your passion and knowledge of your pump guns now. I think its great that you will pass on your Higgins to a young family member to keep the pump pumping! I looked it up on Wikipedia and they seem to be quality guns, made by High Standard. I agree with your statement of not using flags in the mag. I am somewhat puzzled with the "muzzle down" in gun racks, are they padded to protect the muzzle? I am sure Shield know what they are doing, hope to visit there next year as have got the PSG bug back and will go section 1 as and when I can. Its quite interesting that there are divisions in PSG now. In my day all were equal, and course design tried to balance things out between "race guns", autos, pumps and 3 shot. The top guns back then that I recall were Ken Finkle and Ray Edmondson shooting tricked and modified 1100's although my mentor Dave Smith could hold his own with his 870. I seem to recall that we were looked down upon by the UKPSA at that time as Practical Pistol was king. Still, have some great memories of competing and course designing/RO-ing and looking forward to getting restarted in pump classification Thanks Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 (edited) I looked it up on Wikipedia and they seem to be quality guns, made by High Standard. They're nice to shoot but feel a bit heavy and, of course, mine has a "Power Pac" choke system on it. It's the only choke system that I've seen where there's a gap between the end of the barrel and the start of the choke... (The Yanks tend to not want to shoot plastic wadded loads out of these chokes in case the petals of the wad manage to unfold in the gap.) I am somewhat puzzled with the "muzzle down" in gun racks, are they padded to protect the muzzle? On the main ranges at Shield, we just lean our guns in their bags against the rear wall. The issue at Shield is that there is an escarpment that acts as the range backstop and it is not permitted to allow your gun to point over this backstop. Note that buck and slug are shot at Shield as well as rimfire and centrefire rifle - it's a fun place to be. I seem to recall that we were looked down upon by the UKPSA at that time as Practical Pistol was king. In don't get involved in the "politics" but there is still a bit of bad feelings towards the UKPSA. (Hence the creation of the Four Islands organisation, as I understand it.) I'm not a *serious* PSGer - well, *obviously*, since one of my chosen guns is an 1887 clone - and don't really shoot except at the two RSC venues and Shield. I've got a ticket for Bisley but have never actually attended a shoot there. Next year, perhaps things will change. Regards, Mark. P.S. Take a look at the Burgess video that I'm going to link to in a seperate post - *very* nice. Edited December 1, 2015 by ChAoS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 For those of you who like sommat a little... "different", take a look at this video: Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted December 1, 2015 Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Wow that is different! I guess with your penchant for lever action and pump action that ticks all the boxes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 I guess with your penchant for lever action and pump action that ticks all the boxes! Pretty much... (And I even like the *look* of the thing.) Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 For those of you who like sommat a little... "different", take a look at this video: Regards, Mark. Fabulous! Thanks for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt123 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Anyone here had any experience with the Akkar Karatay pump? A dealer near me has them at a decent price in both 3" and 3 1/2". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt123 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) Well, I've just bought one, so I hope they're okay. I'm quite impressed with the feel of it so far, but the proof of the pudding will be in the shooting. Edited December 11, 2015 by tt123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravanman Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Where is it made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt123 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 It's Turkish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravanman Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Looks good. Enjoy your first shoot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tt123 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Looks good. Enjoy your first shoot! Thanks, I'm going out on Sunday, so I'll be trying it out then. Really looking forward to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Going to go and purchase a winchester sxp tomorrow cannot wait used my freinds one last shoot and loved it. He has the waterfowl version but i like it simple and thinking of getting the black shadow version. What are others thoughts? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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