Evilv

And you don't think a shotgun is as likely towound one as an airrifle headshot? Think again then. Large numbers of wildfowl are carrying leadshot from speculative shotgunners having a go at 50+ yards. I've been wildfowling afew times and seen the way people bang one off at any goose that ventures within a hundred yards of them.

Oh - I'm sorry it's come to this... The fact that this form wasn't like the other airgun forum is why I came here.

This might not be any use Axe, but the only thing like that I had with my new (second hand) webley axsor, was one occasion when for some reason, I could hear a faint hiss coming from the filling valve when I'd disconnected the hose. It would for sure have drained away all the air if I hadn't noticed it. Maybe it was a tiny bit of dust under the filling valve seat. I connected the hose, re-pressurised it and put in a few more pumps of air, hearing it go into the chamber with that 'squeak' you get. I opened the hose bleed valve fast and the filler valve shut tight. There wasn't any repetition and I think it must have been a one off. Hope yours is the same. One thing, If you pump it up again, I'd imagine you'll hear the escape of air, if there is one. Even a small escape should make some kind of sound, surely?

Get a rifle mate. Why would you willingly go hunting with: A.) an underpowered tool B.) a tool that is much more difficult to shoot accurately at a hunting range I have an air pistol of about 5.5 ft pounds muzzle energy which I use to slaughter my fat chickens. I put it on their head and pull the trigger. It's a Crosman 1300 .22 pump up and it will kill any sized chicken at 1 cm very convincingly indeed. Thirty five years ago when I was a rogue and first had it, I shot numerous pheasants with it at ten yards. THEY RAN AWAY!!! For my hunting, I use a near full legal powered air rifle. Pistols by law must be lower than 6 ft pounds in muzzle energy (assuming you are a Brit here...) Most available pistols in the UK are well lower than this limit, and even at the full legal level, they would be underpowerd for killing small vermin beyond 15 yards. This assumes that you can group ALL your shots within an inch at that distance - unlikely with a pistol, I would say. Outside that limit, you will simply injure animals and leave them to suffer and maybe die of infection or trauma over many days. Not a sensible or humane man's way really. To be honest, in my experience, the legal powered air rifle limit should be the minimum for hunting, unless the rabbits are tame enough for you to get as close as 15 - 20 yards. I have a B3 air rifle which is about 6 - 7 foot pounds and have shot rabbits with it, but never at further than 20 yards. Beyond that, I use my TX200 or Webley Axsor which are both right near the legal limit of 12 ft pounds.

The mindless yobs who blight society are those people who think that by licensing everything they'll stop the crimes. Criminals with guns (of any sort) or indeed anything else such as vehicles that should be licensed DO NOT have/need/get licenses. When will people learn. All they do is persecute the law abiding citizens who make up the backbone of this country. Took the words right out of my mouth. Licensing will have no effect whatever on gun crime. Have handgun offences declined since all legal handguns were removed from circulation? You know the figures as well as I do. Pure populist politics - a chance for worthless TV presenters and unprincipled politicians to go home at night and say, 'I pretended to be some use again - and got away with it for another day.' You don't think that ***** Mconnell believes he's going to save lives do you? It's all about staying in the gravy train. Press the right buttons and a stupid electorate might just keep you in the £150K job for another few years. ********!

i dont understand as using this rationalle my .17hmr that fires a 17 grain bullet at 2550fps would be inacurate. the truth is it is a bloody accurate little rifle. pete Different twist rate in the rifling. Yours is much faster and has a jacketed bullet so that it can hold the rifling at that velocity and twist rate. And yes the .17HMR is extraordinarily accurate, but it's a very different beast isn't it.

I've never let my Axsor get to anything like empty, but I can replace the air for 50 shots in about 90 seconds of pumping. It'll save that Gym membership fee I was thinking of spending too - well maybe not - to be honest I think it's a doddle.

No - you need two clergymen and a Canadian General to attest to the destruction process and you have to promise to pursue entirely legal shooting ever afterwards. B)

I wonder how many Jeff Walkers there are in NI? I think I'd dismantle that airgun at once and decommission it. Put it - what's the phrase - Beyond Use.

I'm new to pcp, and I bought a second hand Hill's pump. It's the only one I've dealt with, but it seems excellent to me, and frankly, I don't know why people complain about the effort of pumping up a rifle. Work is good for you, and there's nowt to stop yopu taking a breather if you want. I got mine for £70.

Too right. Just think how you react to that pile of unsolicited letters offering all sorts of services that land on your doormat every day.

Evilv At what foot poundage are you talking just to gain an extra 10 yds .I speak for myself when i say that knowing the characteristics of the gun like i do ,with no wind i can kill rabbits cleanly at 75yds although i mainy operate around 60 yds and would no doubt yourself would be just as capable . I've said this before ,,,,,,,,,,There is no substitution for age ,experience and patiance where the 12 ft lber is concerned as the operator is nearly always using the gun to it's MAXIMUM potential where the margin for error is miniscule. :thumbs: Cheers Ive B) Well - let's say 25 ft pounds. Setting up chairgun with that power the optimum zero is 38 yards. It shoots flat (i/2 inch up and down for 45 yards, and by 60 yards, we're already into 3 inches of hold over. By 70 yards it's 7 inches. At 35 foot pounds the seven inch drop comes in at 82 yards. Of course you'll get more chances at longer ranges, but only at the cots of a LOT more wind drift and likely error. I'm not knocking it - just an observation that by sticking to a max of forty yards, I can kill them outright 97% of the time and I have no hassle with special firearms regs. I used to have .22lr and .22wmr, and I'm familiar with the control issues that come in with that legal definition of 'firearm'. Also, the heavier bullets used in rimfire don't drift nearly as much in wind. My shooting is high up in the Pennines and there's always at least a breeze. Different people have different needs though. My comments are just a reflection of my own feelings and every other guy will have his own view. Cheers...

I was sitting in the wood yesterday, waiting for some bunnys. I'd been sitting still about ten minutes, back to a wall, not camo'd up or anything, just a green mucky old anorak thing on with the hood up, and two rabbits ran up from out of sight over a hummock and surprised me by stopping and scampering about together ten feet from me. Couldn't believe it - I just sat and watched them nibbling grass (I'd already shot seven which I had strewn all around me ready for gutting. Anyway, they only ran away when I scratched at an annoying fly on my face, and when they did, three others ran up the hill towards me and then ran back. One, sad for her, ran twenty five yards from me and stopped in full view (unlike the others who were out of sight). At that point, sentimentality and interest in observing the behaviour of the genus 'Lepus' drained away and an accupell was sent right through her head. I've taken 136 rabbits off that one place since the beginning of July. They're less tame now though, and I'm having to stop after about ten per three hour session. Earlier in the saeason, I was getting twice that. The bag was really limited by what I was prepared to gut and carry away. I've been shooting since 1975, and I've never seen anything like the rabbits there. The place is about ten acres and is (was) infested.

My TX200 kills rabbits very effectively and without the suffering described above by Dave, as long as I keep within the range i know I can hit their brains at, and as long as I don't use it in windy weather when I can't judge the windage precisely enough. My newly accquired Axsor is even better since as a pcp it's light and easier to shoot (no jump from big springs and pistons). Last Monday I fired at ten rabbits between thirty and forty yards away. There were nine instant kills and one that twitched for about ten seconds. It is a tool of almost surgical precision. In one case i was stalking a warren I know, approaching standing and up wind. I saw two sets of ears poking above the grass and aimed at the root of one pair as I pulled the trigger. It was an offhand shot that later transpired to be thirty six yards. The rabbit was dead on the spot and at the same instant it was hit half an inch below its ear. The pellet went in one side and exited the eye on the other. If I went for a FAC air rifle, I'd gain maybe another ten yards and increase the chance that minor deviations of fractions of a minute of arc would cause me to miss the old brain box due to the extra distances I'd be tempted to shoot at.

Good idea Graham.

Cheers mate. And thanks again. I'm just making some now. I have a butchered lamb off the farm - not bought you understand which would break EU law - call it a 'present' from a farmer mate. I gave him a present of £60 a week or two ago - funny how nice he was to give me a lamb all bagged up eh... and I'm using the less choice cuts like the Lap (ribs and bits) to grind up with the bunnies. I got six half pound bags off one side of ribs - enough to go with half a dozen rabbits. Pork or fatty lamb probably makes little odds, when what we're really after is some tasty fat to go with the ultra lean rabbit meat. Anyway, when I've exhausted all of this, I'll try the pork instead. See ya...

Ah - thanks Axe. I tried something not to far from that the other day. They were rather good. I filleted the bunny, and added two filleted lamb chops to the mix along with a fried onion, a slice of fried bread, a teaspoonful of garlic puree, a handful of corriander leaves and salt and pepper. I was very pleasd with the result - rather like and good quality burger. Doing some more tomorrow when the rabbit is defrosted. I've been a bit lazy lately and just dropped the paunched bunnies in the freezer in a black bag 'avec' skin, feet and head... LOL. Don't know about you lot, but I don't always have th time to peel and wash them right away, and have had a few go very off before I got to them. This way, Ijust defrost overnight in the garage and do the job when convenient. Thanks again for the info Axe. I must have twenty bunnies in the freezer and nee to get them eaten. Further to another of our conversations about using the rabbits up. I'm swapping some to a guy who fishes, but doesn't eat the rainbow trout he catches. Luckily for me, he's been buying Chinese farmed rabbits and is more than happy to trade....

I had a brewing phase about twenty years ago. Pressure barrels are great and the only beer I ever made that tasted just like pub beer was the stout. That was really great. I stopped because I realised I was ****** far too often for my own good. It was costing buttons and was a bit tempting having ten gallons on tap in the kitchen. For winter time, I had a heated belt thing that went around the fermenting vessel. It worked well. I might start again only since I chucked all the kit, I'll have to invest a bit.

Any good rabbit birger recipes Cookey mate? Just bought a mincer for the little *******.

That's not very P.C.! Aren't they now called Native Americans? No, not on the prairie they aint, pardner. Dirty, lowdown injun scum, we call 'em in redneck country. The only good injun is a dead injun, here boy. Yeeeha. And what's this PC - some new fangled whiskey?

Right - this might take a while but it's been raining all day so I had to cancel my shooting trip and I'm bored... Started in 1964 with a terrible Diana thing. The barrel (smooth bore as I recall) had to be removed to be loaded with a slug and then plugge back in to fire. I'm not talking break barrel here, the thing actually had to be taken out. 1967 BSA Meteor Super - seemed really powerful, but was probably about eight foot pounds. 1975 Essex 12 bore side by side boxlock non-eject. I still have it. 1979 .58 caliber Enfield 1853 three band rifled musket. http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976364414.htm It fired huge slugs weighing in at an ounce and a quarter. Power could be varied according to how much FFG black powder you put in, but using the standard British Army Infantry load of 80 grains, it had a muzzle velocity about the same as a .22 rimfire subsonic, only instead of a bullet weighing 40 grains, this one weighed around 800 grains. It had immense foot poundage, would shoot through the thick side of a railway sleeper and leave a three inch exit hole and grouped reliably at two inches at a hundred yards. In nineteenth century service use, they were devastating rifles getting off about three aimed shots a minute. 1980 .303 Lee Enfield Mark 4 of WW2 vintage, a real sweet shooter of light recoil unlike my mates 45/70 Trapdoor Springfield which gave me a hell of a headache and a nosebleed from concussion. The .303 had around 1900 foot pounds of energy. http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl04-e.htm 1981 Ruger 10/22 carbine. .22 semi auto. 120 ft pounds muzzle energy 1982 Winchester 9422 XTR underlever .22WMR magnum. 320 ft pounds. Wish I still had that gun. http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976455446.htm 2005 TX200, B3 ( a lot better rifle than you'd think). WEbley Axsor.22 (Very, very nice rifle). Then there's the pistols - 1962 .177 GAT http://www.airguns-online.co.uk/gat.htm 1963 Webley .177 1966 Original .22 1976 Crossman Medalist .22 (still have it and use it) 1979 Black powder .44 cal Muzzle loading cap 'n ball revolver - a repro made in Italy of the 1851 Navy Colt, but not in the original .36 caliber for some reason. Put a big smile on my face that one and covered me in soot, grease and a terrible sulphury stink.As I understand it, these are the only revolvers you are still allowed to own post Dunblane. http://www.buffalobillsshootingstore.com/muzzleloaders.html

Is that wise? You don't have a few "sweaty" sticks of dynamite in the cuboard uner the stairs as well do you? :blink: What? You mean maybe you think I should have emptied it and washed it out with soapy water? Hell no, it's got 500 grammes of FFFG inside it and I sprinkle it on the fire to liven up the coals. As for keeping my sweaty dynamite under the stairs, no I've got a crate of that in the hearth where I can keep an eye on it. On the other matter, Since the compression of ordinary air in a damp climate is CERTAIN to to put water inside the reservoir, I'd have thought if there were going to be horrid results on the valves or tank, we'd have all seen furious threads on it warning of the dire results. Still, I might think of getting one of those dry pack thingies for my Hills pump.

Black powder is a whole LOT of fun Ive. I still have me old powder flask on the fireplace, and a bullet mould for .45 caliber balls, but that's all I have left from my once proud armoury of 'smoke makin' thunder sticks. Evilv sits back by the old log fire, lights his pipe, binks a watery eye, and sinks into nostalgia for his old Gold Rush days.... 'We wuz headin up to Dawson, back in '93,' he says to the old dog at his feet. 'My buddy, Smokin Joe Jenkins, got into a bit of a scrape with some tough guys in the Painted Harlot Saloon. Shot five of 'em, he did, before his Colt Dragoon misfired and he caught a ball in the chest. Died in agony....' :blink:

One day, I'll tell you about my .58 caliber balck powder rifle and the .45/70 trapdoor Springfield carbine that when fired with factory loaded nitro ammunition made my nose bleed with the recoil and left me with a head ache for the rest of the day. Much softer with black powder crtridges though. .58 Calibe Enfield Rifled Musket. http://www.nps.gov/pete/mahan/rifledmusket.html .45/70 Trapdoor Springfield Rifle. http://arms2armor.com/Firearms/us4570.htm I love the smell of black powder in the morning air....

I was once standing a metre away from a 12 bore pump action which exploded and blew the barrel into twisted strands of steel. It split in several lines about 18 inches from the action rather like a bannana does when bent. Two of the strands seperated from the front of the barrel and bent right back to touch the barrel behind the burst. It happened because the guy was firing solid slugs rapidly one after another like in a gangster film. He'd loaded the cartridges himself and forgotten to put powder in one of them and when the primer blew the solid slug two thirds of the way down the barrel, the following one came up behind it at 1090 fps and jammed. The shooter (Chairman of the club, who had already lost three fingers in previous gun accidents over the years) just looked surprised, and then said, calm as you like, "Now that's what you call a ventilated barrel". I just sloped off to change my trousers and re-evaluate my membership of that particular club, which following a few other serious accidents had become known in the locality among shooters as 'The Bad Reputation Gun Club. One guy shot himself twice in a year, firstly, blowing a terrible ragged hole through his right hand while loading a .7 caliber (yeah three quarters of an inch) flintlock pistol. Shot the ball, wadding and ramrod right through his palm and staggered about the range before collapsing. Later in the year while tidying the range, he shot himslef up the ar*se after throwing a live rifle round in a bonfire with the rubbish. Another guy used his legally held .44 magnum to sort out his wife's lover, and two printers among our number were convicted of a large dollar forging escapade. I also saw a .44 black powder revolver blow up when several chambers fired at once. The barrel was found about twelve feet down the range. That was a hazard of those cap and ball revolvers that some of us shot there. They had a large flash at the chamber mouth and if you had loaded badly made or undersized lead balls in them, the flash could light other chambers that weren't in line with the barrel. You could stop it by smearing grease on the mouths of the chambers after loading. They were fun, but very filthy things. This is like the one I had: http://www.buffalobillsshootingstore.com/muzzleloaders.html Obviously these things happened back in the eighties when you could own loads of fun toys as long as you hadn't been to jail. Happy days. Really, snakebite, I wouldn't worry about your AA410, just take care where it's pointing when you pull the trigger mate. LOL.