Fatcatsplat Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) Just spent 3 days up near Banchory on the Dee for the second time this year. Must have seen well over 100 fish leaping about all over the place - Silvers and Reds of all shapes and sizes. Six of us (including the ghillie) fished well over 2 miles of the river and caught absolutely nothing, but had a fantastic time. Is there any other sport where you can be entirely unsuccessful and still enjoy yourself?? Edited October 1, 2009 by Fatcatsplat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ME Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Is there any other sport where you can be entirely unsuccessful and still enjoy yourself?? Sunday Sport ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 All types of shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dunkield Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Just spent 3 days up near Banchory on the Dee for the second time this year. Must have seen well over 100 fish leaping about all over the place - Silvers and Reds of all shapes and sizes. Six of us (including the ghillie) fished well over 2 miles of the river and caught absolutely nothing, but had a fantastic time. Is there any other sport where you can be entirely unsuccessful and still enjoy yourself?? We had a day like that on Pitsford Reservior, trout rising all round obviously taking buzzers but nothing worked. Only when I tried the one and only olive version in my box did I get fish, with the obvious 'luck' comment from the other end of the boat. He shutup when I caught the second one. But if we had caught nothing I wouldn't have felt hard done by, they are right there and you are after them, the time flashes by. I have heard of people spending many years and many thousands of pounds not catching salmon in Scotland, it's the being there that matters. I take it spinning was out of the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) I have heard of people spending many years and many thousands of pounds not catching salmon in Scotland, it's the being there that matters. I take it spinning was out of the question? Three of us are heading to the Tay on Saturday, and I think we can use either fly or spinner. I'm not overly bothered if I blank but it'd be nice to land one all the same. Edited October 1, 2009 by Piebob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Three of us are heading to the Tay on Saturday, and I think we can use either fly or spinner. I'm not overly bothered if I blank but it'd be nice to land one all the same. Good luck, I heard the other day (on the beaters wagon of all places) about a 30 pounder coming off the Tay recently. A friend of ours catches big salmon most years on the Tay, but in the Loch not the main river. FCS, Did you take any pictures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted October 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Flies only - 'cos it's on Royal Deeside there's all sorts of rules and regs and the ghillie is there to ensure they are adhered to. We asked about spinning and using prawns, but got told no in a fairly "Don't ever mention that again" kind of way. Too busy fishing to take pictures, but it's a lovely neck of the woods!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Damn right too, only poachers use prawns Piebob, if you haven't seen it already this is handy site: http://www.fishpal.com/Scotland/Tay/index.asp?dom=Tay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I go up and fish the tay three or four times a year, never catch much beyond a cold, but it is stunning scenery and realy relaxing. Just a great day all in all. good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I fish the Tywi for sea trout and salmon, i've fished it for over 30years, and still love it, now i can catch sea trout quite well, and i can catch salmon on the neighbouring Teifi, but can i catch salmon by design from the Tywi not for 13years! As an aside during those 13 years i have manged a few salmon, but only completely by accident whilst fishing for sea trout! Still absolutely love it though, and one day who knows....maybe this Saturday Tight Lines Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I am not a salmon fisherman at all, so can't comment from first hand experience, but it intrigues me how many are hooked by accident when fishing for brown trout or sea trout. Makes you wonder if smaller flies aren't the answer sometimes? I know of someone who hooked one on a grayling fly and played for as long as he could on a 2lb tippet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 The one i got on the line briefly on Tuesday was on a really tiny little red and black number (I have been quoted so many different fly names that i can't for the life of me remember which one it was). Must admit that the sizes were all over the shop - Going from half an inch to 5 inches with trailing bits. Apparently you get a lot of Scandinavians come over with flies up to 8 inches!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 The one i got on the line briefly on Tuesday was on a really tiny little red and black number (I have been quoted so many different fly names that i can't for the life of me remember which one it was). Must admit that the sizes were all over the shop - Going from half an inch to 5 inches with trailing bits. Apparently you get a lot of Scandinavians come over with flies up to 8 inches!! They are meant to imitate insects aren't they? When is the last time you saw an eight inch insect on or in a salmon stream, or am I just being ill advised here. Might explain my lack of success though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I reckon they are meant to stimulate a response based on what a salmon feeds on in the sea. A lot of salmon are caught on large flies (tubes, waddigntons, tandems) i think they are in my opinion meant resemble small fish, other flies are tied to resemble shrimps or prawn, and yes some are tied to resemble insects. Personally i dont think there are any hard and fast rules, the most recent salmon i caught whilst sea trout fishing took a very large black, blue n silver tandem! One thing i do beleive is that we are fishing for a species that does not feed in freshwater, and we spend an awful lot of time philosophising about it, hopefully we'll never know the right answer, to the question Why on earth does a salmon take a bait at all? Tight Lines Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 They are meant to imitate insects aren't they? When is the last time you saw an eight inch insect on or in a salmon stream, or am I just being ill advised here. Might explain my lack of success though. No, and maybe As Aled has said they don't feed in freshwater, you are trying to get a response out of them mainly by annoying them - so a bit like being married. FCS I would imagine the fly was an Ally's Shrimp? seems to be the 'go to' salmon fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I used to use large tandems/devils/waddys for sea trout and tiny black and silver doubles/trebles for salmon and caught my fair share on the Tay. That said, I used large lures such as metal devons and kynochs in the early part of the season and caught some good springers on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 No, and maybe As Aled has said they don't feed in freshwater, you are trying to get a response out of them mainly by annoying them - so a bit like being married. FCS I would imagine the fly was an Ally's Shrimp? seems to be the 'go to' salmon fly. As you say, you are trying to get them to take out of aggression - They are swimming upstream with a body full of baby gravy that they want to get rid of and nothing's gonna get in their way!! The fly was similar, but had the blaze coming from the eye of the hook rather than the tail - Very neat looking little fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexr Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Must admit i hadn't thought of it like that. but yes it makes sence. Nice fish Malc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Caught a salmon on Saturday, from the Teifi, hen fish and returned, sadly not on fly, a big anglia longue size 3 bronze mepp. Got one at last though! Tight Lines Aled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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