colsy Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Hi all, Been shooting for around a year now. Recently bought a Bettinsoli O/U Delux 12b, and I'm finding that when I take it claying it's giving me a sore eye. I've shot several guns in the past, on the regular a Berreta O/U and a 12b sxs lerouna, never had a problem with them. I'm a lefty but all the guns I've shot have been righ handers, as is the Betinsoli. I've been having trouble mounting the gun since buying...kept saying it was just me getting use to the gun...but I'm wondering if its right for me or not..I find I have to pull the stock right up to sight up properly, if i mount it how I normally would any of the othe guns I've used, I'd be seeing some of the rib along with the bead. I carn't keep using it like this, it really does give me a wollop!! specially when putting x100 30g black golds through it!! What are peoples thoughts or maybe experiences?? ATB, Col. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbly Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Once they bite they will always bite, sounds like gun fit to me...get shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 if i mount it how I normally would any of the othe guns I've used, I'd be seeing some of the rib along with the bead Sounds like a trap gun to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecooper1 Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 You need to sort it, it wont go away, and you will start to lose confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 I'm no expert but it sounds like a low comb. Have a session with a coach who knows about gun fit, they should be able to resolve the problem for you. If you are getting smacked in the face you could be lifting your head off the stock, you can try raising it with some cardboard and insulation tape to hold it. As for 30g for clays? Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sooty 54 Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Sounds like a trap gun to me What do you mean by a "trap gun " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 On most trap guns i see some rib on a sporter i see just the bead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colsy Posted December 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Cheers guys, some interesting opinions. I've been gving it a bit more thought, and I reckon I'm gunna put a thicker but pad on, i think this should drop the wood away from my eye a little. If that doesn't work i'll have to go to a coach. Jon, what does low comb mean? Ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 This sounds like a classic case of poor mount, possibly coupled with less than ideal stock dimensions for the shooter, ie too much drop to the heel and / or a low comb. Assuming correct stance and that shooting position has been adopted, the gun should hit the shoulder and cheek at exactly the same time, and the eye should be in alignment. It sounds likely that the mount or comb is low in this instance, and the head is being dropped forward to the stock, bringing the check bone in contact, and wollop, nasty on recoil. Raise the comb a bit, and go and get the mount sorted out with some-one who can advise. For clays, you just don't need more than 24g. Lots of lead and super fast des not compensate for poor mount and technique. If you have light loads and a gun that fits, you can concentrate on putting the lead where it counts. If you are being smacked about by the gun and having your brain rattled, theres a lot less chance you can actually concentrate on good methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Sounds like a trap gun to me too. When you pull the trigger its trapping your eye. Get a left hooker that fits you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 On most trap guns i see some rib on a sporter i see just the bead Whats this? I was labouring under the impression that you are supposed to see about a 1/4" of rib as well as the bead on any shotgun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BlaserF3 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I would go and see someone who knows about gun fitting. The gun you have bought is quite light and the stock dimensions are typically "Sporter" dimensions after reading a test on the gun. As long as you see a little rib all should be OK , but your eye must be directly over the center of the rib not to one side. A bad gun mount and a low comb will give you more of a kick rather than a higher combed gun due to the gun rotation under recoil as the lower gun will recoil more than a higher one. Shooting 30gm Gamebore shells will not do you any favours either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Whats this? I was labouring under the impression that you are supposed to see about a 1/4" of rib as well as the bead on any shotgun? Alot of shooting instructors say the same thing to me as well but i like a flat rib Always thought the 1/4 inch was for a dtl target touch the clay and pull the trigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 personal preference i prefer a flat rib so my shot is 50/50. some prefer to see a bit of rib which would give them about 60/40 - 70/30 patterns.(ie, 60%of shot above the point of aim and 40% below) ask chard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 personal preference i prefer a flat rib so my shot is 50/50. some prefer to see a bit of rib which would give them about 60/40 - 70/30 patterns.(ie, 60%of shot above the point of aim and 40% below) ask chard? I've got a bit of rib Pattern plate shows about 60 - 65% above POI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 90% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 90% Are you still shooting that old high rib gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigweed Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I've got a bit of rib No ribs showing when i saw you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I`m a 60/40 man. It helps with not lifting your head off the stock to see the target and you get to see it break as well. I can see the rib all the way up but it looks only 2mm high from the stock. I`v had People turn up with Bettinsolis that have low combs so they are out there, they also have quite a bit of cast on some them aswell. If your using a gun that has a low combe and a lot of cast in the wrong direction you will get kicked to pieces. I suspect that you don`t get it at all with the Berettas, they have less cast and a combe that is a little higher. Get shot of it and get a Beretta left hander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 No ribs showing when i saw you Solid muscle, honed to perfection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Are you still shooting that old high rib gun? certainly am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 certainly am How many years ago did you acquire it? I can remember you the first time round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 long time ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 long time ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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