joeainscow Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 The other night me my brother, cousin and a few mates decided to go for a night out. At about half 1 in the morning my cousin grabbed me saying my brother was was being attacked. I ran across the club with him to discover to my horror two bouncers holding my brother down whilst another repeatedly hit him in the face. He might of been being rowdy or being a **** but there is something inside you that no matter what has occurred prior, you will do anything for your family. I ran over and drove my knee into the side of one of the bouncers heads kneeling down holding my brother. The next thing i knew i was on the floor having been hit from behind by another bouncer. What happened next surprised me and and the bouncers equally. About 20-30 random lads shoved the bouncers off us. There was then a stand off between all the clubs bouncers, 8 of them! and about 30 lads. Surprisingly it all simmered down and no-one was kicked out. I left with my brother and was threatened by the manager with legal action due to my unprovoked attack. It was all caught on CCTV. When i asked him why only two bouncers where wearing identification he went quiet. Am i right in thinking all doorman need to have visible ID? The other thing that worried me was the lack of bouncers in the club. How can 8 people be expected to control 100+ people??? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTEMUP Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) Dont hang around in **** holes! Edited January 11, 2010 by Axe to remove searing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 The other night me my brother, cousin and a few mates decided to go for a night out. At about half 1 in the morning my cousin grabbed me saying my brother was was being attacked. I ran across the club with him to discover to my horror two bouncers holding my brother down whilst another repeatedly hit him in the face. He might of been being rowdy or being a **** but there is something inside you that no matter what has occurred prior, you will do anything for your family. I ran over and drove my knee into the side of one of the bouncers heads kneeling down holding my brother. The next thing i knew i was on the floor having been hit from behind by another bouncer. What happened next surprised me and and the bouncers equally. About 20-30 random lads shoved the bouncers off us. There was then a stand off between all the clubs bouncers, 8 of them! and about 30 lads. Surprisingly it all simmered down and no-one was kicked out. I left with my brother and was threatened by the manager with legal action due to my unprovoked attack. It was all caught on CCTV. When i asked him why only two bouncers where wearing identification he went quiet. Am i right in thinking all doorman need to have visible ID? The other thing that worried me was the lack of bouncers in the club. How can 8 people be expected to control 100+ people??? Joe simply put, they shouldn't have to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 (edited) simply put, they shouldn't have to Yea but in the real world it often goes off and there need to be a few 'ard ####### around to calm things down. I do belive all doorman need to be licensed and they normally wear that odd armband thing with a card displayed. Most I speak to are nice fellas, but some are just jumped up gym boys who think they can have a ruck, normally not the case. I am glad you and your brother are OK, but in future maybe avoid that venue, as the doormam will know you now and be looking to get one back at you I pressume. Edited January 11, 2010 by Zapp Brannigan REMOVE SWEARING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeainscow Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 My brothers pressing charges and is being shown photos of the employees to see if he can identify who was hitting him. He says he'll recognize the guy straight away. I'm definitely not going again. Also it was £3.50 a bottle!! This is the first time i've ever had any bother in a club. The thing that worried me was if this had happened say outside and i had a firearm in the car with me what i would of done. If i'd threatened then with the gun then bye bye license. If i'd left it in the car then i'd probably of been battered. Having a firearm can put you in some very sticky situations. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shot shot Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 My brothers pressing charges and is being shown photos of the employees to see if he can identify who was hitting him. He says he'll recognize the guy straight away. I'm definitely not going again. Also it was £3.50 a bottle!! This is the first time i've ever had any bother in a club. The thing that worried me was if this had happened say outside and i had a firearm in the car with me what i would of done. If i'd threatened then with the gun then bye bye license. If i'd left it in the car then i'd probably of been battered. Having a firearm can put you in some very sticky situations. Joe standard fare over here mate I hope your brother is ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 never mind having a firearm in your car if the manger does go to the police its good bye licence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeainscow Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I doubt anything will happen. They won't be able to show any CCTV due to it showing them assaulting my brother then he'll be totally free to prosecute. I seriously doubt if they did go to the police that i'd be convicted. First time in trouble with the police and only acting to help my brother. Due to the bouncers not wearing the ID bands i never realized who they were. Also don't i have to go to jail for 3 months for my license to be taken? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 How can 8 people be expected to control 100+ people??? Joe Ever been a teacher and run a Year 10 disco? 210 pupils, four members of staff and a parent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Sounds like he has more too loose than your bro, although I doubt he will risk loosing his business, so expect him to lie through his teeth, any CCTV (putting his staff in the wrong) to disappear, witness statements appear from nowhere blaming your bro for starting trouble and getting extremely violent when asked to leave the premises and the doorman you describe ..... not a employee of his, never seen him before blah blah blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I doubt anything will happen. They won't be able to show any CCTV due to it showing them assaulting my brother then he'll be totally free to prosecute. I seriously doubt if they did go to the police that i'd be convicted. First time in trouble with the police and only acting to help my brother. Due to the bouncers not wearing the ID bands i never realized who they were. Also don't i have to go to jail for 3 months for my license to be taken? Joe I dont think the police will see it your way I may be wrong but I think they will see it along these lines your brother was being ejected from the club for what ever reason and you just waded in to the guys ejecting him should he be trusted with firearm when he acts like that? just an idea but if you were in your car why would you have a firearm in it while your out on the town? just trying to put a few examples across Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Also don't i have to go to jail for 3 months for my license to be taken? Joe NO, you can get your licence revoked for accepting a police caution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu_young Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 all door staff in england Scotland an wales must have the SIA license visible at all time's while working an 8door staff sounds about the right number, a lot off clubs an pub do employer unlicensed door staff as they are cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 a lot off clubs an pub do employer unlicensed door staff as they are cheaper Normally under the guise of glass collectors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 8 door staff for 100 people is good , a big club i used to go to has 5 and a capacity of 500 people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeainscow Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I dont think the police will see it your way I may be wrong but I think they will see it along these lines your brother was being ejected from the club for what ever reason and you just waded in to the guys ejecting him should he be trusted with firearm when he acts like that? just an idea but if you were in your car why would you have a firearm in it while your out on the town? just trying to put a few examples across I was just speaking hypothetically, a what if moment. As if it happened in totally different circumstances. Is it a standard police matter or firearms officers to revoke my license if it comes to that? If it comes down to verbal and written statements then i should be ok. There where 7 of us out and we just have to ensure all our statements match. There's no way they can prove we where intoxicated which could throw doubt on our statements. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustybucket Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 stu young is spot on in the fact anyone working as a door supervisor as to have a SIA badge visible whilst working, sound to me like these were over zealous jumped up so and so's it might be worth speaking with the SIA aswell as they can then look into the pub/club and do random spot checks and also the staffing is about right Rustybucket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu_young Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 if in doubt about the door staff clicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I was just speaking hypothetically, a what if moment. As if it happened in totally different circumstances. Is it a standard police matter or firearms officers to revoke my license if it comes to that? If it comes down to verbal and written statements then i should be ok. There where 7 of us out and we just have to ensure all our statements match. There's no way they can prove we where intoxicated which could throw doubt on our statements. Joe All of their door staff will say they saw you and your friends drinking....... ALOT. Any other door staff, from any other establishment you visited, will say the same to back them up. The police know full well you and your mates statements will all be the same, your all MATES, to that end they a worthless. They've heard it all before with the compensation grabbers that try it on. Also you have against you, the fact that you kneed a doorman in the head . . . . . thats not regarded as ''using reasonable / minimal force'' Not having a go mate, just trying to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibby Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 The thing that worried me was if this had happened say outside and i had a firearm in the car with me what i would of done. What would you have done? I do hope it doesn't involve pulling out the said firearm? I thought the whole screening of cert holders was to make sure you were sane and wouldn't think about using your firearms in fits of rage like this. Gibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeainscow Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Just read up on self defense laws. Apparently you are allowed to attack someone first in self defense. If yourself or another are in direct jeopardy then you can strike out first. Attacks can only be reasonable. If an assailant is attacking somebody in the head then you are entitled to incapacitate any further attack. EG knock them out. My brother was being attacked in the head and my strike out was non lethal and stopped any further attack. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu_young Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 My advice is when the doormen get involved, walk away! Becuase from experience i have found that it normally hurts haha thats the truth an also if your town has got pub watch/nightsafe you willfind your self with out a place to drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeainscow Posted January 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 What would you have done? I do hope it doesn't involve pulling out the said firearm? I thought the whole screening of cert holders was to make sure you were sane and wouldn't think about using your firearms in fits of rage like this. Gibby I wouldn't pull out the firearm but it would be in the back of your head as with everyone as a deterrent. If say a gang of people where invading your premises and approached you are you honestly saying you wouldn't think, if a fire arm was in my hands it would deter them and stop me from getting my head kicked in? Hypothetically of course. "Fits of rage like this". My comment clearly said hypothetically and acting in self preservation. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 If the bouncer was over doing things then you did the right thing. Some of them have serious power issues. My cousin got in trouble some time ago because a bouncer literally threw a girl onto her back in the middle of the road outside the club and left her there. When he tried to help her up they started on him! Luckily he's a big lad and put a few of them down before the police arrived, and when they did he just put his hands up and went quietly. He got a bit of grief over it but because he was so good with the police and explained himself well they worked out that he was kicking off at the bouncers for a reason and let him go. I think one of the bouncers was charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 My advice is when the doormen get involved, walk away! Becuase from experience i have found that it normally hurts haha! Too true i know a few people who have ended up in a fight with bouncers and they were dealt with in a door way out of the view of cctv The most funny story i have regarding a bit of a ruff and tumble with a doorman is one of my brothers friends who through a punch at a bouncer only to miss and hit the bouncers girlfriend in the face and he got a fair old kicking for that George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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