hunterswind9465 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) Might be better to let us know what BASC, GC and CA are doing about the estate that is killing the Sea Eagles !!!!!!!!!!!! Do BASC, GC and CA support this or will they recommend a blacklist of the estates involved in destroying the whole of the Fieldsports credibility ? Do the BASC, GC and CA have the nuts to realy call on the Scottish members to not beat/pickup on these estates ? http://www.policeoracle.com/news/Police-In...ing-_21616.html Andy David BASC ?? Edited January 21, 2010 by hunterswind9465 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 "the estate that is killing the Sea Eagles !!!!!!!!!!!!" That still has to be proved ! Its far too easy to be "set up " in this business !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterswind9465 Posted January 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) "the estate that is killing the Sea Eagles !!!!!!!!!!!!" That still has to be proved ! Its far too easy to be "set up " in this business !! To True but set up all over Scotland and England. The Keepers must be asleep on all the estates !!!!!!!! Any bird poisoned with carbofuran will not go more than 1ft from the bait ! Edited January 21, 2010 by hunterswind9465 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
955i Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 John Dodd, an Edinburgh-based investment banker, insists his staff are innocent of any wildlife offences. Must be him then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Might be better to let us know what BASC, GC and CA are doing about the estate that is killing the Sea Eagles !!!!!!!!!!!! Do BASC, GC and CA support this or will they recommend a blacklist of the estates involved in destroying the whole of the Fieldsports credibility ? Do the BASC, GC and CA have the nuts to realy call on the Scottish members to not beat/pickup on these estates ? http://www.policeoracle.com/news/Police-In...ing-_21616.html Andy David BASC ?? The police are investigating a dead bird from a year ago and you want Basc etc to appeal to beaters and pickers up to not work for the estate and blacklist it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 You will touch a nerve if you mention Sea Eagles in Suffolk. Nautral England are trying introduce them right on here on our doorstep. There is a very strong opposition to the idea from all the local landowners who feel they will decimate livestock.Apparently they take quarry as big as piglets. After reading about them I dont want to see them here either-If anyone one travels to suffolk along the A12 you will see the placards from Ipswich through to Lowestoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Might be better to let us know what BASC, GC and CA are doing about the estate that is killing the Sea Eagles !!!!!!!!!!!! Do BASC, GC and CA support this or will they recommend a blacklist of the estates involved in destroying the whole of the Fieldsports credibility ? Do the BASC, GC and CA have the nuts to realy call on the Scottish members to not beat/pickup on these estates ? http://www.policeoracle.com/news/Police-In...ing-_21616.html Andy David BASC ?? Not when estates are normally owned by the people deemed to be the'establishment' as such of this country................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Might be better to let us know what BASC, GC and CA are doing about the estate that is killing the Sea Eagles !!!!!!!!!!!! Do BASC, GC and CA support this or will they recommend a blacklist of the estates involved in destroying the whole of the Fieldsports credibility ? Do the BASC, GC and CA have the nuts to realy call on the Scottish members to not beat/pickup on these estates ? http://www.policeoracle.com/news/Police-In...ing-_21616.html Andy David BASC ?? That has yet to be proven so i would watch what you say if i was you Edited January 22, 2010 by magman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 If I remember correctly the keeper on that estate flies birds of prey, I have been asked to do a report on an other matter on that estate all I'm going to say is there have been no charges or convictions I have been involved in a few of these cases and the evidence the police are gathering advised by the SS pca consist of things like copies of the COUNTRYMANS weekly and rabbit purse nets oh yes and they found a spade in a garden shed.The worrying thing is they managed to persuade a magistrate to issue a warrant to collect such vital evidence. Don't believe everything you read in the papers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Might be better to let us know what BASC, GC and CA are doing about the estate that is killing the Sea Eagles !!!!!!!!!!!! Do BASC, GC and CA support this or will they recommend a blacklist of the estates involved in destroying the whole of the Fieldsports credibility ? Do the BASC, GC and CA have the nuts to realy call on the Scottish members to not beat/pickup on these estates ? http://www.policeoracle.com/news/Police-In...ing-_21616.html Andy David BASC ?? Calm down,count to three and take your medication dear.Investigations are ongoing so hold your horses petal.I wee bit of premature ejaculation on your part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 It's very easy to say a bird will go about 1ft from bait but what's to stop someone poisining a bird of prey and dumping it on some innocent keepers ground then calling it in? there are people in the bird watching world who would resort to this thinking it was for the greater good..... And lets be honest if it was done over and over again that keepers rep may be damaged beyond repair! the right to roam is one of the worst things ever put in place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) It's very easy to say a bird will go about 1ft from bait but what's to stop someone poisining a bird of prey and dumping it on some innocent keepers ground then calling it in? there are people in the bird watching world who would resort to this thinking it was for the greater good..... And lets be honest if it was done over and over again that keepers rep may be damaged beyond repair! the right to roam is one of the worst things ever put in place! Take a tip. Making silly denials and counter-accusations is the single most damaging thing that the shooting community can do their credibility in the eyes of Joe Public. It does go on. Everybody with anything at all between their ears KNOWS it goes on, they just can't prove it - yet. One of the main reasons for opposition to "right to roam" is that it makes it more likely that one day there will be a witness. Edited January 22, 2010 by Chard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 not really the big opposition to right to roam is that none of the idiots knows where it applies to. This is a year old case unproven and as such it is down to the police to proove. In the past keepers have been guilty but lots of it now is old wives tales, probably still happens in very rare occasions but why use poison there are cleaner ways of doing it. Bear in mind a lot of the rarer birds have radio trackers etc on and keepers know that why use a poison that kills it quickly on your own ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 BASC have a policy on raptors, we have had it for years, you can read it here: http://www.basc.org.uk/en/about-basc/basc-...-on-raptors.cfm There is no excuse for raptor persecution, and I have no hesitation is saying that no BASC member should become involved in any way with this hideous activity, or be involved in any way with any Estate that engages in this activity. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Bear in mind a lot of the rarer birds have radio trackers etc on and keepers know that why use a poison that kills it quickly on your own ground. And if they were trying to poison them they'd be makign damn sure any remains weren't left lying about too long. Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Several cases of Red Kite killed in northants too. Some were shot! LINKY Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 The reasons behind any BOP found poisoned are fairly large , when you consider the different types of people who would carry out such an action . The unfortunate thing is that the keepers head is first on the chopping block ! EVEN if he is innocent(which he is at the moment ! ) . The PR machine has done its work and we are all tarred with the brush . The police will have to work out if it's , Keepers Farmers Shepherds Anti's Poachers (getting their own back ) Sh1 t stirrers (of which there are plenty ! ) Twitchers Etc Etc Etc The list is endless. I said before "Its too easy to be set up in this game " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC45 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 One of the main reasons for opposition to "right to roam" is that it makes it more likely that one day there will be a witness. Really Not sure this is the main reason. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 (edited) Take a tip. Making silly denials and counter-accusations is the single most damaging thing that the shooting community can do their credibility in the eyes of Joe Public. It does go on. Everybody with anything at all between their ears KNOWS it goes on, they just can't prove it - yet. One of the main reasons for opposition to "right to roam" is that it makes it more likely that one day there will be a witness. Chard, Not quite correct.....the right to roam isn't always about witnesses....it's about getting to a drive and discovering joe public with a collie and alsatian have just walked through the middle of a drive.... And as Alex said it more about where this law/code applies to as apposed to the overall term "right to roam" And not all denials are silly....remember some of the accused people in these cases are denying this because it is the truth and they are trying to save their sorce of income. If you take the approach of "no comment" from the shooting community it could be seen as an act of "we don't care"... Just another way to look at it... Nobody denies it goes on but that doesn't mean all should be tarred with the same brush.... Regards, Gixer Edited January 22, 2010 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Chard, Not quite correct.....the right to roam isn't always about witnesses....it's about getting to a drive and discovering joe public with a collie and alsatian have just walked through the middle of a drive.... And as Alex said it more about where this law/code applies to as apposed to the overall term "right to roam" And not all denials are silly....remember some of the accused people in these cases are denying this because it is the truth and they are trying to save their sorce of income. If you take the approach of "no comment" from the shooting community it could be seen as an act of "we don't care"... Just another way to look at it... Nobody denies it goes on but that doesn't mean all should be tarred with the same brush.... Regards, Gixer I don't suppose it makes much difference whether or not you agree with me. I'm just stating the way the situation is seen by the vast majority of the public. This is what you're up against. It doesn't matter a jot what I think at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Its no doubt what the public think as its what the RSPB tell them, lets face it the pigeon fanciers that infiltrate here are far more against birds of prey than the average shooter. that said most people who have been on the game shooting scene will have seen a fair bit of apprehension about the numbers of BOP about, so no doubt there are still rogue keepers about who need dealing with by both the law and their employers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I don't suppose it makes much difference whether or not you agree with me. I'm just stating the way the situation is seen by the vast majority of the public. This is what you're up against. It doesn't matter a jot what I think at the end of the day. It's not that I disagree with you chard as I understand it is seen in both lights and appologies if i worded my point incorrectly, it's more just a shame that it is so easy to point the finger at someone and make the mud stick.... My personal view is that they should look at the issue in an area-by area way and if nessasary put measures in place such as if one golden eagle etc is seen the focus would be on protecting that species but if 10 buzzards are seen in one field at one time then surely it is nessasary to allow a "cull" We are plauged by certain species of BOP in the area I live and it seems that even other BOP are suffering due to this one species.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 I've wondered whether one species has an affect on others, 10 years ago we had lots of Kestrels and Sparrowhawks, hardly see them now that we've got a lot of Kites and Buzards about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek.snr Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 sea eagle ,tastes a bit like osprey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterswind9465 Posted January 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 This is not Sea Eagle no1 that the press covered !!!!!!! This is No2 the folk in the know found out 5 months ago but only yesterday did the news papers get hold of it ! Lots more will come out and as folk here have said no one has been charged. Maybe an ex keeper is working away to upset an old boss ? maybe some anti is putting down bait ? Who knows but all the hard work the Scottish Gamekeepers and SCOTTISH BASC goes down the toilet when these birds are found dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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