pondigger007 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Is lead free ammo available for .410? If so, what are the choices and ehere from? I am thinking rat shooting around a pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 you can use lead fine in that case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pondigger007 Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 you can use lead fine in that case Yes I know but I think it's a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 (edited) Yes I know but I think it's a bad idea. You can special order Eley Hawk .410 with a Bismuth load according to http://www.fourten.org.uk/cart.html Edited February 4, 2010 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Yes I know but I think it's a bad idea. You wont when you find out the price of non tox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 (edited) You wont when you find out the price of non tox Probably cheaper to buy a steel proofed 12B single and 1000 Steel 12B Steel carts for the price of 1000 .410 bismuth (i guess minimum for special order?) Edited February 4, 2010 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pondigger007 Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Thanks chaps yes I think Bismuth is probably not a good idea, I wonder if steel is available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Make your own ? Even if you have to replace the lead in carts with steel shot or something it's gonna save you money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 yes I think Bismuth is probably not a good idea, I wonder if steel is available? erm whats wrong with Bismuth? http://www.eleyhawkltd.com/nontoxic-bismuth.html the whole point is its none toxic and safe for wild fowling etc just bloody expensive. Is your Gun steel Proofed? Eley Fourlong is a Bismuth .410 about the only one i have found seems a waste on rats... Whats the issue with Lead shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I know this make sound silly, but think about it. Why don't you just replace the lead within .410 cartridges you already have? all that is holding them in is the paper crimp, so just pop that out, replace it with steel, and then use a small amount of hot glue (or what ever is used) to replace the paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) I know this make sound silly, but think about it. Why don't you just replace the lead within .410 cartridges you already have? all that is holding them in is the paper crimp, so just pop that out, replace it with steel, and then use a small amount of hot glue (or what ever is used) to replace the paper. Follow the this advice and rip the **** out of your older steel barrel and choke nearly all 410 factory loads do not have a full shotcup wad and the steel can contact the bore, Most 410 guns were done with full choke and the 410 is the most sensitive to differences in pressure due to incorrect loading data. Edited February 5, 2010 by Andy H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I know this make sound silly, but think about it. Why don't you just replace the lead within .410 cartridges you already have? all that is holding them in is the paper crimp, so just pop that out, replace it with steel, and then use a small amount of hot glue (or what ever is used) to replace the paper. Yep thats a good one, follow that advice and you will certainly find out if heaven does really exist. Powder charges and powder selection are totally different for lead and steel cartridges. In the early days of steel there was a few accidents within the wildfowling fraternity who did the same upon the advice of non informed RFD's by merely swopping preloaded lead cartridges with steel shot. As a rule of thumb a lead cartridge loaded with a lead forumla if substituted with steel roughly generates Double the pressure.......... Big no no...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pondigger007 Posted February 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 erm whats wrong with Bismuth? http://www.eleyhawkltd.com/nontoxic-bismuth.html the whole point is its none toxic and safe for wild fowling etc just bloody expensive. Is your Gun steel Proofed? Eley Fourlong is a Bismuth .410 about the only one i have found seems a waste on rats... Whats the issue with Lead shot? The issue with lead whether for rats or ducks is the same. If used near water, there is a good chance that water birds will ingest the stuff, which isn't good. In an ideal world, lead would be banned full stop for use anywhere where it can't be collected up again and recycled. Lead is a persistant, accumulative poison. The problem, is that there are also issues with the alternatives. Not withstanding the balistics issues, steel and forrestry timber aren't good bed fellows and bismuth is clearly rather expensive but for my purposes either would do. Perhaps I just worry too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister1 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 can you bait them away from the water. me and my brother used to spread some peanut butter or jam on a large potatoe and shoot them on the runn towards the bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevew Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Why use a .410? (a question not a criticism) I got a .410 mossberg pump for rats around buildings and on a muck pad that is used for corn storage at busy times in harvest, fun to use, but when you're shooting 40-50 rats in a session it got a bit expensive at around £7 a box. I went back to using my 12 bore with clay cartridges (any cheap 7.5s), steel clay loads are cheap if you want non toxic, cheaper if you use light loads. The 12 bore plus 1000 steel carts v 1000 non toxic .410 suggestion was a sensible comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Perhaps I just worry too much you do, you're not putting much lead in the water unless you're thinking of shooting thousands of cartridges, the simple fact is its not a caliber that many would use for ducks so unless you make your own then there can't be many non toxics to choose from. If there is just you I wouldn't worry about steel bouncing etc as though it happens its mostly if you're shooting ground game and there are other guns about that ricochets could be an issue. Lead occurs all over the place and lets face it water pipes were made of it and there are lots still out there and its not affected us. In birds it can have an issue staying in their system and mixing with grit but you need a fair amount to poison them and you really won't leave that much behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pondigger007 Posted February 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 can you bait them away from the water. me and my brother used to spread some peanut butter or jam on a large potatoe and shoot them on the runn towards the bait. Nice, allowing them a last supper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister1 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) good fun it is, espcialy with a 9mm garden gun Edited February 5, 2010 by lister1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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