mikky Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 managed to get my first farm land to shoot over ( shotgun ) what is the next step in getting permission to shoot my .22 bolt/.223...he says other people in the past have shot foxes on his land and does'nt mind me doing the same,however he is not sure if the land is passed by the authorities as it was passed to him by his late father... i can only shoot at my club...so 1,i will have to put in for a variation for a mod 2, i will need written permission to shoot from the farmer ( full bore ) 3,the land will have to be passed by the authorities.. my problem is..if the land is not passed and people are up there shooting full bore under the impression the land is passed, i could get people in trouble,which is the last thing i want to do... i think i might just go up with the shotgun and see how things unfold..any comments will be appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 I can't answer your questions relating to FAC but well done on securing some permission mate LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) my problem is..if the land is not passed and people are up there shooting full bore under the impression the land is passed, i could get people in trouble,which is the last thing i want to do... thats not your fault. plus they may have a open ticket. Edited October 1, 2005 by markbivvy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted October 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 cheers lads....why is nothing straightforward in this country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackthorn Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 cheers lads....why is nothing straightforward in this country because life would be to fuc!ing easy and there seems to be someone out there that don't want that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 2, i will need written permission to shoot from the farmer ( full bore ) not true. but some will say its best to have it in writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 you dont need writing permission to shoot land i have never got it my farmers are good phone the police and get it checked again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Stalker Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 You may not require written permission by law, but it certainly helps if you do get a tug by old bill. It satisfies them that you are there legally. I renewed my permission on Sunday , and gave the farmer a copy of a permission i down loaded of the forum. I think it was WWW.gundeals.co.uk He was very happy to fill in and sign it. S.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 nice one ss...i posted the form up... nice to see someone is using it...i got my first shoot over land last week..showed the form to the farmer and he signed it no probs...just need to get variation on my ticket for shooting full bore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 i am now confused ..can anyone shoot on farmland with the farmers permission ( full bore & shotgun ) without informing the police...my tickets restrict me to shooting at my club..surely i must have to put in for a variation,which involves the police contacting and inspecting the farm land to see if it is safe and suitable for the calibres involved ( .22rimfire & .223 in my case ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 (edited) It's not straight forward. You can shoot on the land with permission, with a shotgun, the Police don't need to be informed. You can shoot on the land with permision with a centrefire/rimfire with an 'open' FAC without informing the Police. You can shoot on the land with permission with a centrfire/rimfire without an open FAC the Police need to clear the land for that calibre for you (if it hasn't already been cleared) If you are usinga rifle, ignore any advice that says don't bother getting a letter, GET A LETTER even if you scribble something and get him to sign it. Carry that and a copy of your FAC with you when you shoot. Sounds a bit wet, but alternative worst case scenario is being done armed tresspass, until you prove otherwise. And if they confiscate your guns while they investigate (which they will) it will be made deliberately hard for you to get them back, and for what? not having a bit of paper in your pocket - how hard is that :thumbs: Edited October 7, 2005 by stuartp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 if you are shooting on land with a rifle and you get stopped by the cops all you have to do is go see the farmer, i have never had written perm in 41 years and i shoot 18 farms.its not law to have a letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 and for what? not having a bit of paper in your pocket - how hard is that ................................................................................ ............................ sorry mate writen permission or not if the old bill come in like storm troopers, which they often do, a bit of paper with farmer browns name on wont help. all thats needed is you carry a contact number for the land you are on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 m b,or like i said just pop down the road see the farmer and its sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 There you have it mikky! take your pick mate A contact number from the bloke that said it would be all right isn't going to much use if he is out, or on holiday at the time For eaxample, I only shoot on one of my permissions when the landowner is out of the country, that is one of his conditions. So when you are pinned up against the wall by 10 SO19's and you are shouting "but the good old boys on PigeonWatch said I'd be OK" ain't going to cut much ice either Seriously, if you really want to know what you should be doing check with the BASC or similar, what you will get on here is what people actually do, which isn't always the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Seriously, if you really want to know what you should be doing check with the BASC or them are the folk that told me you dont need it in writing. as well as the home office. A contact number from the bloke that said it would be all right isn't going to much use if he is out, or on holiday at the time and your bit of scribble is. last time i showed a letter of permission to a cop,he said it means nothing mate anyone could have wrote it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted October 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 looks like its a phone call to the fac dept thanks for your comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 if you are shooting on land with a rifle and you get stopped by the cops all you have to do is go see the farmer, i have never had written perm in 41 years and i shoot 18 farms.its not law to have a letter. Yeh at 0200 hours (if you're out lampin') farmers gonna be well pleased. What might have been OK for 41 years or even 4 + 1 years isn't necessarily the best option in todays world. Things have changed (a lot) and shooters need to change with them. stuartp is right not all the comments on here would stand up to legal scrutiny...if you want to be on the right side of the law talk to BASc...it's part of what you pay your membership for isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 0200hrs ..is'nt that the time when you should be snuggled up to your wife's sister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warcop Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 i recently put in a variation for a 223 and with the variation went 6 permission slips in writting ,got my variation but only one of the farms had already been passed so now i just have to wait for the police to check the land to see if its suitable,you can shoot on a friends permission if he owns the same calibre firearm and it has been passed ,but dont think you can shoot anywhere if it has not been passed already.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 0200hrs B) ..is'nt that the time when you should be snuggled up to your wife's sister wife AND sister you mean need the night off sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 i recently put in a variation for a 223 and with the variation went 6 permission slips in writting ,got my variation but only one of the farms had already been passed so now i just have to wait for the police to check the land to see if its suitable,you can shoot on a friends permission if he owns the same calibre firearm and it has been passed ,but dont think you can shoot anywhere if it has not been passed already.... Unless you have an open FAC of course, then you can shoot anywhere you have permission for that YOU think is safe. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 As a matter of interest, how old do you have to be and how many years experience do you need, in order to get an open Ticket in the UK. Sorry for my lack of knowlage, but im not too up on firearms laws over in the UK. :*) Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Frank, Age doesn't come into it, it has more to do with demonstrable (?) practical experience. That means field shooting, paper punching counts for nothing as it shot under very regulated conditions. I was told my ticket would be opened after 5 years by default, but in less time if I asked and the restriction was an issue. My was removed 2 years after getting my FAC as I was able to provide good reason for the request and evidence of experience in a variety of situations. I should add, as with all SGC/FAC related issues, where you live in the country has a huge effect on the answer to this question, as some areas refuse to remove the restriction even when the applicants experience is vast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Thanks Stuart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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