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[reddan]

BTW I joined BASC today. I was due to join in April when my CPSA membership expired but I had to call BASC today to get some very urgent help and they were top draw,dispite not yet being a member, so signed up from today.

 

Dan

[Mungler]

Nice darts Dan

 

And you have done something to support shooting

[GW80]

I got my letter today asking for £35.00, cheque in the post this evening, in the grand scale of things £35.00 doesn't cover your drinks bill on a saturday night so why not if you can afford it?

[Beardo]

haven't got a problem with them sending out a letter, if you don't want to support it, don't send any money.

 

oh and on the subject of those bags that come through the door - most of them aren't charities, read them very carefully - a lot of them just flog all your old stuff for their own profit.

[decoying mad]

Christopher,

 

I wouldn't bother trying to justify anything to this lot, if your letter had said the MP's pay for themselves to come clay shooting you would get someone knocking BASC over it.

 

There is a hardcore of people on this forum who think that BASC are a bunch of champagne swilling hoo ray henries who all drive brand new Range Rover Sports.

 

Keep up the good work

 

Martin

i was only asking if any 1 else had got the letter.

and i hope your quote of this lot doesnt include myself

had a word with 2 other shooting collegues today who are also with basc about the letter and we decided to chip in together

and a cheque is in the post

[MC]

DM,

 

If you have been involved in the BASC knocking threads then yes I do include you, if you haven't then no I don't. The BASC knocker know exactly who they are and they crop up from time to time.

 

Like the oh so clever Goergehare who has editted my post.

[decoying mad]

DM,

 

If you have been involved in the BASC knocking threads then yes I do include you, if you haven't then no I don't. The BASC knocker know exactly who they are and they crop up from time to time.

 

Like the oh so clever Goergehare who has editted my post.

i tend not to knock anything i no very little about and basc is something i no very little about

i no their the best and thats why im with them. i merely asked about this letter due to been new to basc and i asked if any 1 else had recived the same letter.

fraud is rife these days and its not every day an insurance company asks you for money what is not to do with your policy.

after going in to basc website and reading what they do apart from offer insurance im more than happy to keep my / our sport going.

the moral of this stoy is i should have investigated further before commenting

[David BASC]

Thanks for the comments guys,

 

No harm in starting threads to find out more info DM, no one is going to criticise you for that. Also, I think your post has opened up a good debate, but yes it is a shame that some fools edit posts in such a childish way and re post them, do theses twits think we are so dim that we don't know what we have written?

 

Anyway, to those who want to hijack threads and knock BASC may I suggest you start your own thread, and maybe have it locked in such a way that only your mates can post, and then leave the rest of us to enjoy being left alone and contribute to the other threads on this forum without your puerile distraction?

 

Anyway, back to business, at BASC we will do all we can to keep you all up to speed (member and non members) with what is going on in the world of politics and media that affect shooting and also keep you up to speed with what we are doing about it, we update our website a couple of times a day so that’s always a good place to start.

 

My best wishes

 

David

[covlocks]

oh and on the subject of those bags that come through the door - most of them aren't charities, read them very carefully - a lot of them just flog all your old stuff for their own profit

 

I used to work for a UK engineering company in West Africa. We would need rags for the workshop and used to buy bales of clothing donated to the area and use those. 3/4 of the stuff in the bales was totally inappropriate for anyone to wear. Your donations paid for the bales to be sent out by air to West Africa and then thrown away as rags.

 

The bags had nice labels on them from Oxfam...........

 

BASC - gets my vote and money everytime. Its going to something I can see and may have a direct effect on what I can and can not do in my spare time.

[Highlander]

BASC get my vote as the best organisation to look after our shooting and field sports passions. Without a strong voice in the right places (Westminster and Brussels) our sport would have been doomed long ago. When all said and done £64 a year for membership is peanuts for what you get and how much do you value your sport? Paying a bit more (less than the price of 100 cartridges) to help boost the coffers during specific events is IMO insuring the continuing enjoyment I get from shooting.

[al4x]

just an aside David how much are you looking to raise from this exercise? How much does it cost to protect our sport as everyone is so keen on repeating. Obviously taking MP's clay shooting is good PR as far as guns are concerned but there aren't that many MP's so you can only entertain them so much and ones that are onside already its only presumably to butter them up a bit. If we assume there are something like 646 mp's and 100K BASC members I work that out at about 50p a member without including juniors. I'm not against contributing for people to have a nice day out and educate them about shooting but can't help but think it will go over the heads of most of them and though may mean they have heard of the BASC that shooting will be well down the list of things of real importance as far as election promises are concerned.

[Mungler]

just an aside David how much are you looking to raise from this exercise? How much does it cost to protect our sport as everyone is so keen on repeating. Obviously taking MP's clay shooting is good PR as far as guns are concerned but there aren't that many MP's so you can only entertain them so much and ones that are onside already its only presumably to butter them up a bit. If we assume there are something like 646 mp's and 100K BASC members I work that out at about 50p a member without including juniors. I'm not against contributing for people to have a nice day out and educate them about shooting but can't help but think it will go over the heads of most of them and though may mean they have heard of the BASC that shooting will be well down the list of things of real importance as far as election promises are concerned.

 

 

Yes Alex, that's right. BASC just take MPs out clay shooting. That's the big plan - get them all down to JJs, into the novice class and winning big plastic trophies - that's the master plan on getting MPs to support shooting. End of.

 

I have no idea where all the money goes

 

Put the media center on hold and all other political lobbying - there's just no need for it, not when you can just take MPs out on the clays.

[al4x]

the clays got the biggest mention in my letter, it was a serious question though what is the fundraising target.

[Simon Clarke]

the clays got the biggest mention in my letter, it was a serious question though what is the fundraising target.

 

It takes every penny we can get to protect and promote our sport. BASC is a not-for-profit organisation. Our accounts are set out every year in the members' magazine.

 

BASC is a national representative body for sporting shooting. We have five strategic objectives:

 

A strong and unified voice for shooting

All party backing for shooting

Balanced comment in the media

Continued opportunity to go shooting

High standards

 

The target for the election fund raising campaign is to build a fighting fund to boost support for shooting in the next parliament where, as Christopher Graffius said, we will have the highest number of new MPs for the last 60 years. Most will be from urban backgrounds and may not have a positive view of shooting. We aim to change that in line with our strategic objectives. The more we raise, the more we can do. We do not take extra money from our members' direct debits but run stand alone fund-raising efforts.

 

The BASC membership fee provides insurance and a set of core membership benefits, including privileged access to specialist advice. Some of our work is more general, such as in the media, where everyone benefits from the committment of BASC members. We know there is more that we can do if we have the funds. That is why in some circumstances we ask our members whether they would consider making a voluntary donation to help us do more. Therefore, our target is to raise as much as we possibly can.

Edited February 16, 2010 by Simon Clarke

[Mungler]

Simon, get yourself and a wagon load of MPs down to JJs at Dartford.

 

They could miss everything and shoot the tyres on the tea wagon and still come away with a nice whopper of a trophy. They will love it and the lass that does the burgers and teas has a lovely backside.

 

My invoice for the strategic development of the system for political lobbying to support and promote shooting will be in the post.

[Simon Clarke]

Simon, get yourself and a wagon load of MPs down to JJs at Dartford.

 

They could miss everything and shoot the tyres on the tea wagon and still come away with a nice whopper of a trophy. They will love it and the lass that does the burgers and teas has a lovely backside.

 

My invoice for the strategic development of the system for political lobbying to support and promote shooting will be in the post.

 

Thanks Mungler -

 

I'll put your invoice into my outside the envelope, pushing the box file (its a small round grey one under my desk)

 

we're lining up a tractor and wagon to cart off the new MPs as we speak (wouldn't want to spill the champers on the range rover now, would we?)

[covlocks]

David, As said previous, BASC gets my vote and money.

 

However just got home to my letter, and biggest c*ck up in the world noted. What pillock designed the form where you put your card number on it AND your 3 digit number from the back of the card?

 

That is totally against what the number is used for - and if the envelopes get mislaid the number can be used no problem for internet and phone shopping and the bank wil just walk away because you have broken the obvious security precautions.

 

You dont need these numbers to set up a Standing Order, and you would have done a lot better and safer to set up someone on a telephone taking the donation calls.

 

Very poorly thought out IMHO

[reddan]

David, As said previous, BASC gets my vote and money.

 

However just got home to my letter, and biggest c*ck up in the world noted. What pillock designed the form where you put your card number on it AND your 3 digit number from the back of the card?

 

That is totally against what the number is used for - and if the envelopes get mislaid the number can be used no problem for internet and phone shopping and the bank wil just walk away because you have broken the obvious security precautions.

 

You dont need these numbers to set up a Standing Order, and you would have done a lot better and safer to set up someone on a telephone taking the donation calls.

 

Very poorly thought out IMHO

 

Good point covlocks - couldn't put a name to the guidance, however, for security purposes, merchants are prohibited from storing or recording this number.

 

Dan

[gsm1968]

Got mine today. Just one thing, could it not have been done by email? Would have saved a bit. Plus payment could be done on line.

[SSS]

I got the letter and donated £20, why not, they do a lot to help our sport in parliament and it seemed the right thing to do.

£35 did seem a lot though, couldn't afford to give that much

[decoying mad]

gsm

you can donate on line mate on basc web site im sure dave will put a link up for any 1 who wishes to donate

[David BASC]

Here is the link to donate online: http://www.basc.org.uk/en/media/basc-appeals/index.cfm

 

Best wishes

 

David

[decoying mad]

[Christopher Graffius]

Covlocks and Reddan, I'm assured by the finance department here that the form is perfectly kosher and we use similar forms for gun draws, membership etc. I'll post a fuller explanation when I have chapter and verse from the experts.

 

We used mail rather than email because we don't have everyone's email address - a situation we're working to remedy.

 

Christopher

[Christopher Graffius]

I now have the official advice - checked with the bank.

 

BASC - or any other retailer - cannot process card payments through the cardnet system without the 3 digit security number. This is a bank requirement for all Cardholder Not Present transactions. Any account holder who gives out their details whether by phone or letter and subsequently has them used fraudulently by a third party is indemnified from that loss by their bank.

 

If you're still unhappy with this the appeal gives you the option of making a donation by direct debit. They can either set up a regular periodic payment or make a single payment by selecting a one-off single annual payment at the date that suits them. Alternatively you can also make a donation by telephone.

 

Thanks for your support.

 

Christopher