Ebay gives in to anti's - again!

[badsworth]

An online auction offering the opportunity to kill a "trophy red deer stag" has been removed by the internet site eBay amid protests from an animal welfare group. Bidding had already begun for the right to shoot the animal, which was pictured with its large crown of antlers in an "enclosed woodland habitat" somewhere in Devon.

 

The League Against Cruel Sports described the sale as "shocking" and also condemned eBay for carrying listings for gin traps - the old-fashioned devices with serrated jaws which spring shut and maim animals such as foxes, deer and badgers.

 

The auction listing for the "Trophy Red Deer" described it as a "21 point farmed master stag".

 

It was put up for sale on October 4. The accompanying description stated: "Shoot this large master stag, 12+ years with a great typical head formation, originating from wild stock in an enclosed woodland habitat. The winner will retain the trophy head only, if carcass is required this will be extra." eBay said it could not release the address nor contact details of the seller because the auction had been taken down from its site.

 

Paul Tillesley, who runs the league's animal sanctuary on the Devon/Somerset border, spotted the auction online.

 

"This looks like a park-raised deer," he said. "It's used to being with people and has probably been fed over the winter in the 'enclosed woodland'. We've seen some people pay up to £6,000 to shoot semi-tame stags like these with large heads of antlers. They go home and tell their friends they shot the deer."

 

It is legal to stalk and kill deer with a licence in Britain during the open season. Such hunting opportunities advertisements are advertised in field sports magazines but do not normally carry pictures of the animal to be targeted.

 

Mike Hobday of the League Against Cruel Sports said: "It is quite simply shocking and sick that people were able to bid for the right to kill a stag on eBay.

 

"In addition eBay is allowing people to sell illegal gin traps .... which have no possible use that will not cause pain and suffering to animals. Is eBay the new online death centre?"

 

It has been illegal to set gin traps since 1954. Despite a review of their status by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs recently, ownership and trade in them is still permitted as long as it is solely "for historical and collecting purposes".

 

Yesterday eBay was running three British auctions selling gin traps. One described the devices as "2 round jaw gin traps both in working order, 2 different sizes'. An eBay spokeswoman said the stag listing had been removed.

 

She added: "It contravened the live animals policy as the seller is selling the right to kill the animal."

 

The auction house's policy states: "Live animals or pets, other than the [noted] exceptions, may not be listed on eBay." The exceptions are permitted "provided the seller guarantees in the listing that the animals will be packaged safely and posted via next day delivery".

 

The animals that can be sold on eBay include aquarium or pond fish and snails; lobsters, crabs, shellfish and other similar creatures that are live when sold but intended for human consumption; and live insects, crickets and worms used as bait or feeder food for pets.

 

No comment!

 

B

[Elma Fud]

LACS have some neck. :<

 

They talk about animal welfare.

Their own record of deer management is appalling.

 

http://www.countryside-alliance.org/index....=266&Itemid=323

[Hodmedod.one]

I am amazed anyone would put an auction for something like that on eBay and not expect to get a load of antis moaning about it.

 

eBay try to come across as goody-goodies. They don't really give a toss what you sell providing no one actually complains about a specific item.

[bobt]

there was someone offering deer stalking a while ago in dumpries IIRC, I see they no longer advertise.

[Puddytat]

I have no problems in killing an animal as long as its for food, or its vermin. I have been on deer shoots, WILD deer, fending for themselves in a natural environment. I really dont agree with raising animals, keeping them in a false environment for someone to come and kill. Not sporting. Not fun. Same goes for artificial pheasent shoots.

 

rah rah rah B)

 

*gets of soapbox and hides*

[Bazooka Joe]

Reminds you of the American Canned Hunts. Buying in excotic animals, Lions, Tigers, Deer etc, then letting them lose of the ranch for paying clients to shoot them. B)

 

This sort of **** goes against the grain, it's only food for the anti's.

 

Bazooka Joe.

[Piebob]

Yeh - let's not bother shooting it. Let's leave it to die slowly and painfully of old age or be attacked and eaten by predators as it becomes too weak to fend for itself. :<

 

And what is an artificial pheasant shoot Puddytat? Is this a new form of clay shooting? B)

 

Piebob

[tenbears10]

Ebay fold under pressure all the time. It takes ONE complaint and they will pull an auction. There is nothing illegal about advertising a stalking day.

 

Shock Horror they posted a picture of the stag in question.

 

The more people and organisations who listen to the LACS the more power they have.

 

Mike Hobday of the League Against Cruel Sports said: "It is quite simply shocking and sick that people were able to bid for the right to kill a stag on eBay."

 

I dissagree with him totally, in fact he makes me sick not stalking. The government and the Liberal Democrats have pledged their support for shooting recently (if you believe them) so when are the LACS going to shut up?

[Puddytat]

Well, if they plan to shoot it because they want to eat it, fair enough. If they want it soley for the head/antlers then i dont agree.

 

'Yeh - let's not bother shooting it. Let's leave it to die slowly and painfully of old age or be attacked and eaten by predators as it becomes too weak to fend for itself.'

 

What? Just like nature intended? B) Joe's right, it smacks of the American Canned Hunts.

 

When i say artificial, i mean where the pheasents are raised from chicks, released in the woods yadda yadda yadda. And before you all jump in, i know thats how pheasents got free in the first place..but i dont think shooting them for food, if your out and about its bad. Its the organised shoots with the fat-cats guys who cant even shoot the bird cleanly that gets me. An organised shoot where game birds are shot which has lived naturally, have a fighting chance of getting away, and they are shot for food. Well thats all good, in my eyes.

 

Anyways, i wont push my views,,dont want there to be arguing All these topics are close to home with the lot of us.

[old rooster]

You've only got to look at them folding when that ***** Geldoff complained about people selling the "free" concert tickets they'd got for sale on Ebay, they had all made charity donations when applying for the tickets via their mobile phones.

 

Ebay and Paypal are both dodgy, Paypal refunded one of my buyers who claimed not to have received the item I sent despite my having proof of posting. That was a few months ago, ironically the buyer now has my item for sale on ebay !!!. Constantly get my tastefully worded "adult" listings dumped but it's only due to whingeing members complaining. Ebay don't have the facilities to police their own listings they just tell you what you can't sell and rely on some puritanical ***** to report those that don't fit.

 

They specifically bar listings of "human body parts", so you can't go and sell your mother in laws kidneys and liver, what is their problem !!!

[SNAKEBITE]

PUDDYTAT,

 

To a great extent I agree with you.If I shoot a rabbit then I want to see it eaten and enjoyed Not tossed in a hedge. I know it does go on and in the pest control side of the "job" it is not allways practical to do so.

With the pheasant shoots they manage the land and this provides a safe haven for all sorts of wildlife that is disapearing in the u.k.

There is a trade off and I think it is worth it. AS LONG AS THE BIRDS ARE EATEN OFCOURSE!!!

Infact is it any different from raising cattle?

[tenbears10]

Infact is it any different from raising cattle?

Or producing very free range chicken?

 

Anyone that eats supermarket chicken (any of it I don't give a toss if there is a picture of a field on the label) can not say releaisng pheasant and shooting them for food is cruel.

 

That is not directed at anyone here merely my opinion.

 

But this is what Joe public don't realise. The meat in a KFC is the worst kept, worst reared in the entire food chain (standards are higher for dog food) but they will happily rant about how cruel shooting is while stuffing that bargain bucket in their fat mush.

 

rant over again. :*)

[Cranfield]

I still find it hard to understand why they thought eBay was the appropriate place to "sell" that trophy.

Surely, a specific magazine, or website, would have been a more logical place.

 

Unless, they were looking for national publicity and even tipped off the LACS themselves............................I bet that Trophy has been sold quicker and for a higher price than if it had remained on eBay.

 

Of course, I could be just an old Cynic.

[Puddytat]

Hence why I only eat locally raised, free range meats or animal products. Well, i try and process any meats myself, so I know whats in it. No, i dont get out much.

 

Thats what makes me sooooo mad about Mr Blair banning fox hunting. If he was that bothered abt animal cruelty, like he makes out (of course, it had nothing to do with votes AT all ) why didnt he spend the tax money sorting out fur farming? Or intensive farming? Or one of the many of the actual cruel animal practises we do? Stupid stupid man.

[deadeye ive]

Thats what makes me sooooo mad about Mr Blair banning fox hunting.

In my opinion if fox hunters were black,asian ,gay or even asylum seekers then the activity would'nt have even been mentioned on Labours Manifesto and would had been left well alone.

It's not about Animal Cruelty or even protecting Foxes but about certain backbenchers having a pop at a certain class of society but there so Bloody IGNORANT they don't realise how many of a cross section of law abiding and self supporting people actually participate.

 

If you shoot an animal then where appropiate you should be prepared to Gralloch/Gut and skin or pluck it ...............Basically get your hands dirty and prepare it for the Table or Anybodys table in fact ...................It's all part of the rules in my book.

 

Ive

 

PS Puddycat ...........I Don't know it but i'm not sure if your a Puddy "TOM" tat