tomhw100 Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Just wondering im a .22 man all the way! Cant beat it! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I'd vote both because I can, I use .177 on land that isn't cleared and FAC .22 for the farm. If I were to choose a sub FAC it'd be .177 all the way, without a shadow of a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron airgunner Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 .177. if you judge distances wrong with a .177 it will not as catostrophic as if you did it with a .22. my s400 .177 is never more than a mildot of hold under or holdover to 45yrds. although if in an ideal orld it would be: .177=long range rabbit sniping, wood pigeon shooting, squirrel shooting. .22=ratting, feral pigeons. the reason i would choose .177 for woodys and squirrels is because these animal are often in trees and you need to change you hold under/hold over when shooting at an angle if you have zeroed shooting straight. with a .177 the difference is not as much as a .22. i would use a .22 for rats and ferals as this will be close range shooting and you will often have to take shots quickly. the greater stopping power of the .22 will have the advantage here as rats are tough critters. i would be happy with a heart/lung shot on a rat with a .22 at 15 yrds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA_Shaun Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 (edited) hey, I would rather use a .22 becaues i find it easyer to kill bigger birds that are stavener magpie,carrien crows,etc,etc, P.S I have never used a .117 but i think because the pellet is smaller it would be harder to take bigger pests. Shaun Edited March 15, 2010 by BSA_Shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Mainly my .177 Rapid or .177 S410.I also use .22 FAC Rapid for long range hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 this thread is going to turn in the the never ending debate of what calibre is best i can see it now..both calibres have the uses in different situations, even, .20 and .25..there was a good write up done a couple month back in Airgun world mag i think it was, tested all 4 calibres over about 8 different things, like BC, trajectory, retained power, speed, etc was an interesting read im a .177 guy myself as i prefer accuracy over anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhw100 Posted March 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 this thread is going to turn in the the never ending debate of what calibre is best i can see it now..both calibres have the uses in different situations, even, .20 and .25..there was a good write up done a couple month back in Airgun world mag i think it was, tested all 4 calibres over about 8 different things, like BC, trajectory, retained power, speed, etc was an interesting read im a .177 guy myself as i prefer accuracy over anything else. you cans till be accurate with a .22 tho! i can put 3 pellets in a 1p at 30 yards easily off of a rest. Or isnt that accurate enough for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron airgunner Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 hey, I would rather use a .22 becaues i find it easyer to kill bigger birds that are stavener magpie,carrien crows,etc,etc, P.S I have never used a .117 but i think because the pellet is smaller it would be harder to take bigger pests. Shaun anything on the air rifle quarry list will go down with a pellet through the brain, whatever the calibre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttalbot09 Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 il say aswell by far .177. prefer the flatetr trajectory and using both in field on rabbits id vote .177 over 22 all day. after 30 yard zero on both calibers the 22 drops like a rock after 30 yards unlike the .177 needing a much smaller hold over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 An age old debate that will be asked many times yet!! ATB!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 il say aswell by far .177. prefer the flatetr trajectory Howevva... .177 springer is 'bouncier' and likely to introduce more error than the .22 springer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 PCP .177 faster than .22 more accurate flatter trajectory and smaller tin of pellets............................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KANO Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 An age old debate that will be asked many times yet!! Mine is an AA s410 .177 (my choice) Each to their own. If I was to go for FAC it certainly would not be a .22 pellet. 17 HMR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 17 HMR Cracking round, Grommit! As long as you've got a high seat, a huge backstop, or at least a mile of clear ground behind the target! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim410 Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 i use both in the field. if its a bunny session its the .22. but if im shooting up into the trees then its the .177 although i do like to use the .177 for the bunnys too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christy Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 you cans till be accurate with a .22 tho! i can put 3 pellets in a 1p at 30 yards easily off of a rest. Or isnt that accurate enough for you Totally agree. I have a .22 Airwolf well capable of the above accuracy and more. Also, I have a HW95 V-Mach internals and a few other goodies...that too would easy poggle the penny at that range. Accurate enough for me Basically the choice is a girls pellet or a MANS pellet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhw100 Posted March 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 hahahaha AND THERES THE TRUTH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmep Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 .177 for me, converted when shooting field target. you .22 boys should try a bit of field target with a .22 and see if you change after that. and the pellets are cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhw100 Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 .177 for me, converted when shooting field target. you .22 boys should try a bit of field target with a .22 and see if you change after that. and the pellets are cheaper. field target bores me tho! im mean each to their own and all that, some of the guns look well tarty too! obviously if i did do field target i would use a .177 coz there flatter and it dont matter how much shock there is on impact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 it dont matter how much shock there is on impact! Not challenging you - I'm genuinely ignorant on this! Isn't it true that, if both calibres leave the muzzle with the same energy (11.X ft/lb), then as long as both pellets enter the quarry and stop there, then they'll both have transferred the same amount of energy (i.e. shock) to the quarry? Chuck Norris's fist, or Chuck Norris's finger? They're both deadly dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) Not challenging you - I'm genuinely ignorant on this! Isn't it true that, if both calibres leave the muzzle with the same energy (11.X ft/lb), then as long as both pellets enter the quarry and stop there, then they'll both have transferred the same amount of energy (i.e. shock) to the quarry? Chuck Norris's fist, or Chuck Norris's finger? They're both deadly dude. No it's not true, energy isn't shock in ballistics like this! There tends to be more shock with speed so 177, but the .22 will make a bigger wound track and potentially do more damage. The 177 and 22 also loose energy at different rates as well, so whilst they "may" leave the barrel with the same energy, they almost certainly will not have the same terminal energy! It's very complicated and makes little difference with some pellet placement, but has the potential to make a lot of relative difference on some shots. Remember you will always be talking less than 12ft lb terminal energy, VERY LOW so the differences in the two will be on a small scale! The whole effect of shock and energy transfer is much more easily shown on modern small centrefire rounds compared to generally older much larger and slower rounds. For example a 5.56 will tend to turn all flesh and organs around the bullet track to jelly with the shock wave and cause a serious amount of irreparable damage, get clobbered by a .44 and damage around the bullet track will be relatively minor, lots of energy but relatively little shock!. The same happens to a much lesser extent with .177 and .22 pellets! Edited March 18, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 The .22 does have more retained energy at point of impact, that much is true. There is not much in it though. For example, I run both calibres, and both my outfits are 11.5 ftlbs at the muzzle. Using Chairgun software, with my choice of pellets, at 30 yards the .177 has 8.1 ftlbs and the .22 has 8.7 ftlbs. I have my own simple way to decide which is best, and that is I use the .22 when I know I will be shooting mostly under 30 yds, and the .177 when mostly over 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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