colin lad Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hi all braught my son a new hatsan escort s/a 20 gauge 2 weeks ago new from shop, took it to clay ground today as he is small a got 2 box of 21 gram carts put 2 at a time in gun and every shot had a problem either 1st cart fired and second got stuck entering chamber, or 1st cart was left sticking out the side and not cleared or if it did re cycle the second would not fire, as i braught it from the clay ground itself i took it back to the shop, chap said it just needs waking up so sold me some 25gram carts which seemed ok is this normal for a new semi?, it is a 3inch magnam so should i just use bigger carts, or take it back and trade it in for a 20gauge o/u thanks colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 It needs cartridges with a bit more poke-28grm are ideal plus being a semi-auto he shouldnt find the recoil excessive.Just make sure they're 70mm ones though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpeyhunt Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 Hi all braught my son a new hatsan escort s/a 20 gauge 2 weeks ago new from shop, took it to clay ground today as he is small a got 2 box of 21 gram carts put 2 at a time in gun and every shot had a problem either 1st cart fired and second got stuck entering chamber, or 1st cart was left sticking out the side and not cleared or if it did re cycle the second would not fire,as i braught it from the clay ground itself i took it back to the shop, chap said it just needs waking up so sold me some 25gram carts which seemed ok is this normal for a new semi?, it is a 3inch magnam so should i just use bigger carts, or take it back and trade it in for a 20gauge o/u thanks colin i had the same problem pal with mine it kept letting me down took it back to the shop 2 times then it happend again so took it back the 3rd time and demanded a new gun they gave me a new 1 and it has never happend, they reckon with them escorts you get a good 1 or a bad 1 and not to use any cartridge under 32grams if this is true or not i dont know but i love mine its mint for wildfowling and decoying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 It needs cartridges with a bit more poke-28grm are ideal plus being a semi-auto he shouldnt find the recoil excessive.Just make sure they're 70mm ones though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 28, 2010 Report Share Posted March 28, 2010 (edited) It needs cartridges with a bit more poke-28grm are ideal plus being a semi-auto he shouldnt find the recoil excessive.Just make sure they're 70mm ones though. i had the same problem pal with mine it kept letting me down took it back to the shop 2 times then it happend again so took it back the 3rd time and demanded a new gun they gave me a new 1 and it has never happend, they reckon with them escorts you get a good 1 or a bad 1 and not to use any cartridge under 32grams if this is true or not i dont know but i love mine its mint for wildfowling and decoying very few semi's like 21g carts (lets see how long it takes for the usual "i have a beretta/benelli/etc" semi and it cycles everything inc 1g carts replies ) imo 21g carts are best used in manually loaded gun - s/s, o/u, pump, etc. and yes, i owned a benelli montefeltro and it hated anything under 32g one thing though, with a semi you should be able to load higher gram shells than a s/s, etc, before recoil gets too much Edited March 28, 2010 by Ozzy Fudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 same here, my hatsan will only cycle 28grms and upwards, also 65mm sometimes cause a jam, prefers 67mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 The length of cartridge is important on these, It actually states the minimum length required on the box on some models, in the instructions too I guess, mine has long since gone so I can't check. I believe from memory it was 67 minimum, but being a semi it inevitably needs a little belt as well. So forget low recoil carts too. 21 is hopeful in the extreme with these, my Beretta 391 is meant to handle that, and does, but still prefers 24+. These are cheap guns in every respect, do not expect them to give you the same performance of more expensive products. Flippen 'ek, that makes it sound like I am defending them, god knows why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 After about 200+ carts you should be able to cycle 24`s, Escorts need abit of working in as the action is pertty stiff to start with, also for some reason Escorts prefer lighter carts in steel shot, used 24 gramme steel in mine for clays when i first got it and it was fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted March 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 thanks all just been to shop today to get 100 28grm 70mm carts will get back up clay ground with the lad and get him to blast them through thanks colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 a bit late but the bigger the carts the quicker the running in period see if anyone will give you a few 40g or 3" to try out you'd be surprised how many will give you some just to see the look on your face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Militia Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I have an Eascort and I have had the same problem. The issue when buying a semi-auto is always: cartridge size, weight and length this is the majority of most problems with semi-automatic jams. That is why for my needs I have started buying pump action since they almost never jam or pump/semi combi like the benelli supernova. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I have an Eascort and I have had the same problem. The issue when buying a semi-auto is always: cartridge size, weight and length this is the majority of most problems with semi-automatic jams. That is why for my needs I have started buying pump action since they almost never jam or pump/semi combi like the benelli supernova. How old is your ESCORT? Do you lube it often? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Militia Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I actually bought it second hand put about 300 cartridges through it and actually currently in the process of selling it. When I strip it I usually oil it, don't use lube or vaseline on it and try not to apply oil in excess amounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 try not to apply oil in excess amounts. that's probably your problem when I say lube I mean oil, try that spray stuff in the receiver and cock the bolt back and forth a good few times then let it soak. If that don't work put a few heavies through it or give it a wack is it the 12b version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Remember that he is talking 20 bore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I'm asking KM as I'm no familiar with the 20b version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Militia Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) Mine is the 12B version yes. I was always under the impression that excess lube/oil is not good for the gun. Hmm Oh I realised that your initial post you were talking about problems with a Hatsan in 20B model. I am sorry, I made a mistake, I have a 12bore version so you should probably ignore all I have said. Edited March 31, 2010 by Kent Militia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam1 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Two pages about problems with a Hatsan and nothing from Harnser, has he lost internet access? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Mine is the 12B version yes. I was always under the impression that excess lube/oil is not good for the gun. Hmm Oh I realised that your initial post you were talking about problems with a Hatsan in 20B model. I am sorry, I made a mistake, I have a 12bore version so you should probably ignore all I have said. :blink: Nope I was talking about the 12b, I'm not familiar with the 20 although it's probably identical. Try what I recommended, it worked for mine and I thought it was beyond help! Cycles almost any 21g+ I regularly use 28g 65mm for the clays Before I gave it a proper scrubbing and run through it would throw its toys out the pram every time I even showed it two cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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