abiteachuck Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 just my opinion of which we are all entitled. we call our .22 rf spud guns as you can see the bullet dropping. I see my 10/22 ruger as a 20 to 1 shot at a night meeting at lingfield in a novice selling handycap. I see my cz american .17 as the 3/1 on favourite in the cheltenham gold cup. what do you think? agree or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) I see both guns as an equal killing machine. It's the person firing it that determines the odds of success. Edited March 30, 2010 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I agree with harford, your post just says to me that you haven't mastered range estimation and hold over/under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 its likie comparing a cart horse with a race horse, apart from being horses theyre totally different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I agree with harford, your post just says to me that you haven't mastered range estimation and hold over/under. why worry when with the right gun you don't need to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 A strong wind would make me much more confident in using the .22lr rather than .17hmr up to 80 yards or so. I've owned both, but I still have a .22lr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) you sure you've owned both as side by side at that range the HMR will still outshoot the LR Edited March 30, 2010 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abiteachuck Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) I agree with harford, your post just says to me that you haven't mastered range estimation and hold over/under. I think that either you are not seeing the point or may be iam not making it clear, the only time the .22 has an advantage is if the fields full of rabbits and the .17 crack. my .22 is in the cabinet all the time and i never go out with both guns, what the .22 can do the .17 does it better every time. if i had got my .17 1st then i would`nt own a .22 as for your comment on the mastering the drop ive had a .22 for 45yrs and killed 1000s of rabbits so that answers that, back to the horse thing both horse`s are capable of running its just that one will win and one will probably come last both guns zeroed at 75yds. .22 50yds =2in high 100yds = 6in low after that forget it .17 50yds =bulls eye 100yds = 1in drop 130yds = 3in drop wheres the comparison to me there is`nt any, but as said my opinion Edited March 30, 2010 by abiteachuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abiteachuck Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 you sure you've earned both as side by side at that range the HMR will still outshoot the LR here here even in a gail force 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) what the .22 can do the .17 does it better every time. Like not producing a huge sonic crack? Just what I need when I'm in a field full of easily spooked rabbits... £3.50 for 50 .22LRs. £12.50 for 50 HMR rounds.... Really good bunny bashing round Edited March 30, 2010 by harfordwmj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I think that either you are not seeing the point or may be iam not making it clear,the only time the .22 has an advantage is if the fields full of rabbits and the .17 crack. my .22 is in the cabinet all the time and i never go out with both guns, what the .22 can do the .17 does it better every time. if i had got my .17 1st then i would`nt own a .22 as for your comment on the mastering the drop ive had a .22 for 45yrs and killed 1000s of rabbits so that answers that, back to the horse thing both horse`s are capable of running its just that one will win and one will probably come last both guns zeroed at 75yds. .22 50yds =2in high 100yds = 6in low after that forget it .17 50yds =bulls eye 100yds = 1in drop 130yds = 3in drop wheres the comparison to me there is`nt any, but as said my opinion Where does the 22LR beat the HMR? In order of importance, (1) noise, (2) cost, (3) semi auto use. Number 3 isn't important for me, but #1 is. I had an HMR and sold it. I still have the 22. Yes, in pure ballistic terms the HMR hands down has better ballistics. Thanks, Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Like not producing a huge sonic crack? Just what I need when I'm in a field full of easily spooked rabbits... £3.50 for 50 .22LRs. £12.50 for 50 HMR rounds.... Really good bunny bashing round I've emptied two mags before moving in the past the noise really doesn't bother them much unless you've been shooting at them and missing cost wise its well worth it and more cost effective than using a shotgun and a mile away from using centrefire rounds. £12.50 with an HMR will get the average shooter 40 plus rabbits and often more not a bad price to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 you sure you've owned both as side by side at that range the HMR will still outshoot the LR Pretty sure, mate. Just what I found through comparisons. Talking a fairly stiff wind, though, and i'm not knocking the hmr at all btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abiteachuck Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 totally agree with a14x, and i dont think there`s much fun in shooting them when there sat on the end of the barrel. when you knock um at 150yds you get an adrenalin rush, which with all due respect if you`ve never had a .17 then you wont no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) I'll state clearly that I don't own an HMR (but I do see a variation coming in the future for that and a .223) I like my LR mainly because it's cheap and quiet and to be honest I'm quite chuffed with a kill that isn't at it's zero (60yards) as it has to be aimed off. ....however, I do quite like the idea of hitting them at 150! I think they both have benefits over the other but that doesn't make either pointless. Edited March 30, 2010 by Colster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I think they both have benefits over the other but that doesn't make either pointless. And that sums it up - A nice day with good conditions, and the range of the hmr is fantastic. As mentioned, the crack doesn't seem to alarm bunnies any more than a .22lr - In fact I've had rabbits running toward me after firing the hmr! .22lr is a great, cheap workhorse of a calibre, but range is limited in similar conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I have .22lr, .17HMR and .22WMR..as well as a few centrefires. I have a use for all the rimfires, none is the best, they are different and have differing plus and minus points!! ...and in the terms of the original question, which I slightly struggled to grasp,...with that lot I am odds on favourite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 you lot seem quite transfixed with horses today ive used my 10/22 up to 140 yards on rabbits and 185 yards with targets, takes a bit of practice but its achievable once you learn your holdovers, etc. but my first kill with the 917 was 130 yards, after only an hour or so of zeroing. two totally different guns imo, in terms of ease of use and range the 17hmr wins hands down, but in terms of ammo cost, stealth and lack of meat damage the 22lr wins. and come on, who hasnt had a massive grin on their face by emptying a 30 round mag through a 22lr in a few seconds?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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