Hunter Gatherer Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 (edited) Once again i need the help of experienced shooters on here! I am trying to decide what caliber to put on my variation and i cant decide! The cartrige must have exellent accuracy potential (it will be for target use as well), have the power to cleanly kill foxes out to 300 yds and be reasonably flat shooting. I am not too bothered about wind bucking but that would be a welcome feature. The only problem is that the caliber must be .22 or smaller due to firearms department regulations. Thanks alot HG Edited December 19, 2005 by Hunter Gatherer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 why 350/400 yds. its a long shot is that. iuse a nightforce 170. and i dont think i could be sure if it was fox or dog at 400 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted December 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 (edited) A lot of my shooting is done in the daytime so identification wouldnt be a problem at those ranges but having said that most of the foxes i see at night are within 300-350 yds. Edited December 19, 2005 by Hunter Gatherer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 They all must of been shot at before and hang out far . Do you try to call them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 A lot of my shooting is done in the daytime so identification wouldnt be a problem at those ranges but having said that most of the foxes i see at night are within 300-350 yds. sorry HG. i though of lamping straight away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Geeze HG I don't know what your experience is with Foxes but as as been said already 300+ yds is a long way. I have .223 but i voted for 22/250 but this would not be my choice of gun because in reality most fox shooting is easily carried out well within 200yds . If your call is good enough they 'll come running towards you at night ......They normally only become streetwise after a failed attempt against shooting them . I always say there are plenty of 22/250s in the second hand market but not .223s for some reason. Also you need to consider the consistancy of factory ammo for those ranges as well. Please don't take this as me trying to teach you how to suck eggs mate Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 I voted for the .22-250 too, only because you said you will be shooting at those distances. If your under 300yds, then the .223 will be a far better round with plenty of ammo to choose from. Plus its cheap as chips to feed with factory fodder and reload for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted December 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Please don't take this as me trying to teach you how to suck eggs mate Ive Dont worry ive, its just that i would like the option of stretching out the range a bit as i am quite often called in to remove a fox that hase become call and lamp shy and they just bolt off in the other direction if i start to call, i dont expect to have to take foxes regularly at that sort of range but i would like to be able to if the situation appeared (e.g. bipod, rear rest, known range/bullet drop). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Please don't take this as me trying to teach you how to suck eggs mate Ive Dont worry ive, its just that i would like the option of stretching out the range a bit as i am quite often called in to remove a fox that hase become call and lamp shy and they just bolt off in the other direction if i start to call, i dont expect to have to take foxes regularly at that sort of range but i would like to be able to if the situation appeared (e.g. bipod, rear rest, known range/bullet drop). 22/250 it is then. Ultra high velocity rds like this wear harder on the rifling though ...........Something to consider when buying second hand . I have no data on this calibre but on a .223 with a 200yd zero it'd be 1.5" high at 100 yds and 7" low at 300yds of which there would be 575 ft lbs left travelling around 2172FPS Ive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 (edited) I see what you mean. Then the .22-250 would be the best option. One more thing, stay away from the .204 if you can, ammo is expensive and in limeted supply. I had this caliber for 6 months before switching to the .223 and all i got was heart ache, trying to get the thing to shoot accurately. Now that i have the .223, i will never look back. Good luck with what ever you get at the end. Edited December 19, 2005 by Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badsworth Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 I always say there are plenty of 22/250s in the second hand market but not .223s for some reason. Barrel life is an issue with .22-250s. It is a 7.62 round necked down to .22 - so it is a really hot round (not literally). Unless you can get an exeptional example and know something reliable about the use it has had they are not worth touching secondhand. If this is the calibre you choose get a new one. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippet.22 Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Being pedantic again, but it's actually a necked down Savage 250 case, .243 and 7mm-08 are necked down .308. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 sounds like something around a .223 would be best then as it will be used partially for target aswell. does anybody have any experience with the .22 PPC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordeeb Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi H.G did you spot this guy's views while googling http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/22_ppc.html just some more reading for you. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cramp Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 (edited) i use a.243 with 95grn nosler with 34 grn H4895 i find that deadly and if tha fails these dont Edited December 21, 2005 by cramp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 They look like pit bull crosses to me?? Ment to be great fox dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Hi H.G did you spot this guy's views while googling http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/22_ppc.html just some more reading for you. good luck sounds like the .223 is the best bet then? thanks alot HG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 That breasted brindle looks a nice bit of kit Cramp LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 (edited) If it is accuracy that you want, and it's the first shot that counts remember, then the .22PPC seems to be the one to choose, from what is written about it in bench-rest circles. I don't know of anybody with one, or how much the ammo would cost. http://www.btinternet.com/~stephen.rattley...ecaldescrip.htm Edited December 25, 2005 by rjimmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted December 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 If it is accuracy that you want, and it's the first shot that counts remember, then the .22PPC seems to be the one to choose, from what is written about it in bench-rest circles.I don't know of anybody with one, or how much the ammo would cost. I had thought about this but it seems that ammo supply is restricted and expensive, whereas the .223 is still a respected target caliber and the ammo and components are readily available. thanks HG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 hunter gatherer,,you say you have 1 slot on your fac for .22 and mod... i was told today i would have to give up 1 slot if i wanted a mod for my .22...i did'nt realise each mod is classed as 1 slot on my fac maybe i should have known but no one told me when i applied...its just a thought ..did'nt want you to be as p***ed off as me when you find out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 (edited) Have you thought about a .222 I have had mine for 10 years its been a cracking rifle shot countless foxes. Edited December 27, 2005 by charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 hunter gatherer,,you say you have 1 slot on your fac for .22 and mod... i was told today i would have to give up 1 slot if i wanted a mod for my .22...i did'nt realise each mod is classed as 1 slot on my fac maybe i should have known but no one told me when i applied...its just a thought ..did'nt want you to be as p***ed off as me when you find out so have you filled all your currant slots?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted December 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 (edited) hunter gatherer,,you say you have 1 slot on your fac for .22 and mod... i was told today i would have to give up 1 slot if i wanted a mod for my .22...i did'nt realise each mod is classed as 1 slot on my fac maybe i should have known but no one told me when i applied...its just a thought ..did'nt want you to be as p***ed off as me when you find out so have you filled all your currant slots?. No, i have one spare slot for a .22 rimfire and one slot for a moderator. Edited December 27, 2005 by Hunter Gatherer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 sorry mate it was meant for mikky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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