Gamefair comp

[gwb]

Posted this originally in the wrong section

 

Firstly congrats to my brother who won first place in Silver for the Friday 40 bird comp, his first win of any kind.

 

My shooting was as usual rubbish.

 

I have a question for you seasoned campaigners.

 

We had a re-entry ticket that we were told to use once we had finished our first 40 birds and start over again. Which we did.

 

incidentally we both called it a day when my brother shot 2 and i missed the first stand completely, we were both knackered by this stage, as we had been shooting in the morning in which I did ok at the pay and clay then walked round the gamefair for a few hours.

 

Note to self- dont shoot when your tired, waste of time, money and carts.

 

Anyway, on the last stand we witnessed three or four blokes in front of us who shot the stand twice, one after another. One shooter shot the stand three times if not four. I later saw him in the shoot off. He appeared to know a good few people and clearly was a good shot.

 

The last stand IIRC was A-looper B-rabbit on report , shot twice then C- a fast quartering right to left going away single shot only, 5 shots in all. Now this shooter effetcively had three goes at least to get this right. Admittedly he walked away after his turn to let someone else shoot [ his squad mate]

 

Is this a common practice, can you put more than one card in. just change the names at the top and choose which to put in?

 

In which case we just shot a round of English [not so very]sporting hmm1.gif

[paulos]

There were a lot of shooters doing that. It doesn't happen at any registered shoots but it's rife at the game fair. The winner tends to be the shooter with the deepest pockets and the most shells. I won't be taking my gun again.

[MC]

There were a lot of shooters doing that. It doesn't happen at any registered shoots but it's rife at the game fair. The winner tends to be the shooter with the deepest pockets and the most shells. I won't be taking my gun again.

 

 

No indeed,

 

Registered shooters just sandbag their way around and then clean up on every shoot for six months. And then repeat themselves over and over. At least the gamefair shoots happen only once a year.

 

From what I was hearing yesterday the World Sporting at Leakenheath was a complete farce.

[100milesaway]

It's not normal to be allowed to take out more than one card ,on a re-entry they normally wont give you another card till you've handed your original in, but it does happen.It's up to the people who run it to make sure it's run to acceptable standards, but i don't think that always happens.The people running it get greedy and then the deepest pockets win. Not good. from Auntie

[MC]

Does it really matter?

 

Winning a shoot at a gamefair isn't that much of an achievement is it? At a local charity shoot recently you get the same faces going round and round trying to better their score. They end up spending £60 to win £50.

[beretta]

some of the bigger game fairs are well worth winning mc

[Chard]

some of the bigger game fairs are well worth winning mc

 

You could win a jar of Ferret Pickle

[beretta]

or a car

[gwb]

Does it really matter?

 

Winning a shoot at a gamefair isn't that much of an achievement is it? At a local charity shoot recently you get the same faces going round and round trying to better their score. They end up spending £60 to win £50.

 

That's not the point. You shouldn't be able to shoot the same stand over and over in this case at least three times in sucsession. By all means re enter and shoot again afterr handing in your first card

[COACH]

Been going on for years by some very well known shooters as well.

They know darn well that any experienced shot can see what they are doing.......CHEATING.

 

One card and one round at a time.

[paulos]

Yes - Martin Myers and Graham Stirzaker were cleaning up.

 

With guns, cash and shells up for grabs it is worth their while spending hundreds of £'s in entries and shells. Unfortunately the means to do this precludes the vast majority of other competitors so they get away with it year after year. I have no problem with a re-entry pot for those who want to go round again and again but for the main competition it should be first cards only. The CLA did this a few years ago with its Championship/Trophy event and it seemed a perfect format for the event, with class winners going into a shootoff for the main prize at the end of the day. The current format is extremely poor and only serves as a pocket filler for the organisers - SORT IT OUT BIDWELL!!

Edited July 26, 2010 by paulos

[Cosmicblue]

No indeed,

 

Registered shooters just sandbag their way around and then clean up on every shoot for six months. And then repeat themselves over and over. At least the gamefair shoots happen only once a year.

 

From what I was hearing yesterday the World Sporting at Leakenheath was a complete farce.

 

 

Slightly off topic - what does the expression 'sandbag their way around' mean?

 

 

I went to the fair too (only live about 20 minutes away), and did try one of the pay and clay stands - using the guns provided - really to try a semi-auto (felt so light - almost toy like), got 8 of the 10 - but no 'must have feeling' ensued!

[Chard]

Slightly off topic - what does the expression 'sandbag their way around' mean?

 

Sandbagging is where a clay shooter ensures that he stays in a lower CPSA class than his true shooting ability, in order to win more.

 

So if he is capable of A Class scores, he might put in a load of B class scores so that he gets to be classified as B Class.

Then, whenever he shoots a registered competition, he stands a good chance of winning B Class.

 

I would have thought it was difficult to keep doing it over and over, because his winning "B Class" scores would probably be so high that when the next 6-monthly re-classification period comes round, he ought to have an A Class average, so he would go up. I suppose the really serious ones can win a fair few B Classes, but still manage to manipulate the averages by careful calculations and putting in occasional duff scores to keep the average down.

 

There is so little money to be made clay shooting, I don't really see the point. I could understand why people do it if there was big money at stake

Edited July 28, 2010 by Chard

[BlaserF3]

I have known shooters to cheat to win a plastic trophy

 

You will always have someone who will win using any means, I used to shoot with one, until I could not stand it any more, he now shoots on his own.

[Jega]

I have known shooters to cheat to win a plastic trophy

 

You will always have someone who will win using any means, I used to shoot with one, until I could not stand it any more, he now shoots on his own.

 

Yep same here mate ,when me and my lad used to compete in air rifle H.F.T. some of the scores were bloody incredible from people who couldn't hit their own **** with their hand and all for a plastic cup or badge,i.e. at one fairly large competition shoot this one particular clown scored 57 out of a possible 60 and cheated my lad of a bronze medal ,next shoot just a little friendly club open match he got 37 out of 60.We kept an eye on his scores for a while after this and low and behold the best score he could manage was 41 out of 60.Perhaps most disappointing though were the two relatives of of young lad of about 12 years of age, i assume they were his dad and uncle ,anyway when they came up to a peg dad would shoot first then uncle and before junior got down to take his shot they had already told him the distance ,hold over/under and windage required ,they then had the audasity to brag about juniors achievments .

[Cosmicblue]

Sandbagging is where a clay shooter ensures that he stays in a lower CPSA class than his true shooting ability, in order to win more.

 

So if he is capable of A Class scores, he might put in a load of B class scores so that he gets to be classified as B Class.

Then, whenever he shoots a registered competition, he stands a good chance of winning B Class.

 

I would have thought it was difficult to keep doing it over and over, because his winning "B Class" scores would probably be so high that when the next 6-monthly re-classification period comes round, he ought to have an A Class average, so he would go up. I suppose the really serious ones can win a fair few B Classes, but still manage to manipulate the averages by careful calculations and putting in occasional duff scores to keep the average down.

 

There is so little money to be made clay shooting, I don't really see the point. I could understand why people do it if there was big money at stake

 

Thanks Chard, I understand now - appreciated.

 

I almost have a twinge of potential guilt - in that I have had competition membership with the CPSA (118233), since joining in 2008 (new to the sport) - but have never, ever shot a registered round of anything. So say for Sporting where I have a fairly consistent average kill rate of 65-70% - then there is a risk that if I shot a registered round then I'd distort the data a bit - almost on the boundary of appearing to be cheating?

Edited July 29, 2010 by Cosmicblue